THE WRATH OF GOD, WHAT IS IT?

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Magenta

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Defining God's love which is God's number one attribute where all others fall into place, is the most
difficult attribute to explain in plain words because most of us see God as other than love (1Jn 4:8, 16).
Love is the core essence of God's eternal Being. Love acts to enforce justice, but also embraces mercy.
 

Simona1988

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In the beginning it was love…
God is love because he is Trinity of persons. Love is not God’s attribute, it’s His way of being. Love can not manifest if there’s only one individual. We aré called to unite with God’s love and we do so by loving Him and our neighbor. Salvation is achieved through love.

We can’t limit God’s love to a definition. Our vocabulary is too poor.
Can you define a mother’s love? I think each child would come with a slightly different definition, but similar in essence. Even if the mom punishes the child, the child still knows that mom loves him and wants the best for him.
 
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God loves us with a crazy love while Satan hates us with a savage hatred.
I agree with that and here’s my experience.

God will hunt people down. Actually He’s already on top of them and pursues them relentlessly day and night. His thoughts never cease about how passionately He wants to be with people forever. He loves people completely.

Just when you thought He wasn’t paying attention anymore, you suddenly realize He was silently staring at you; intensely examining your every thought and action from what you want to eat for lunch to scratching your nose. He will remember those little things forever.

He’s the best Father and He never gives up.
 

chess-player

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Love is the core essence of God's eternal Being. Love acts to enforce justice, but also embraces mercy.
God's love is perfectly revealed in the person of Jesus Christ. His love for a lost world was and is personal and desires that we too would demonstrate His unselfish love to those He places before us. His love is unconditional and is forever giving Himself completely to each one of us to reconcile us back to the Father from the inside out.

Love is defined by. being patient and kind; love does not envy; love does not brag, is not arrogant, does not behave itself improperly, seeks not its own, is not easily provoked, thinks no evil of anyone; rejoices not in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth; bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, and endures all things. Love never fails (1Cor. 13:4-8a).

Gal. 5:22-23 is also a demonstration of how the Spirit of God produces fruit in believers who are yielded to Christ.
 

Magenta

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Love is defined by. being patient and kind; love does not envy; love does not brag, is not arrogant, does not behave itself improperly, seeks not its own, is not easily provoked, thinks no evil of anyone; rejoices not in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth; bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, and endures all things. Love never fails (1Cor. 13:4-8a).

1 Cor 7:4-8a Love Light Shines
:)
 

Live4Him3

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This was my original question: << What is the correct biblical definition of the wrath of God, and how does it differentiate from the love of God since both attributes proceed from the same God (Father, Son, and Spirit)? Is there a contradiction? >>

So, we (sort of) understand what God's wrath is, but how do we define God's love recognizing that both His wrath and His love (agape) proceed from the same person?
I've always looked at it in this simple manner:

I Peter chapter 1

[17] And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:
[18] Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
[19] But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
[20] Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
[21] Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.

God will ultimately judge us all (he's actually committed all judgment unto Jesus - John 5:22) without respect of persons or impartially, and, even though multitudes of professing Christians don't believe this, it will be in accordance to every man's work.

Seeing how God is an impartial and righteous judge, I love him for this reason.

However, at the same time, I fear him for this reason because I wouldn't want to come out on the wrong end of his impartial and righteous judgments.

For me, there's no contradiction whatsoever.

Hebrews chapter 1

[8] But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
[9] Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

Righteousness begets God's love.

Iniquity begets God's wrath.

It's not complicated at all.
 

p_rehbein

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Your response has no



I'm not interested in responding to my own questions. I have my personal notes in my Logos Library. 😎
Of course you are not. You are pfishing here, and one who pfishes does not reveal their thoughts/ideas/beliefs. That would be counterproductive.

Trolling, trolling, trolling
 

chess-player

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Of course you are not. You are pfishing here, and one who pfishes does not reveal their thoughts/ideas/beliefs. That would be counterproductive.

Trolling, trolling, trolling
LOL. I simply created a new post for discussion, is that a problem for you? If you don't want to get involved, comment on another thread and stop harassing me, or I will report you.
 
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What about the love of God? Can you define it?

Therefore we also, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which so easily ensnares us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us,
looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.
Hebrews 12:2
 
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Of course you are not. You are pfishing here, and one who pfishes does not reveal their thoughts/ideas/beliefs. That would be counterproductive.

Trolling, trolling, trolling
Rainbow Trout fishing is approved by God = HE put the colors on.
also
they taste great!!!!!!!!!!
and
they are fun to catch
 

Beckie

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Luk 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
Luk 21:21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
Luk 21:22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
Luk 21:23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.
Luk 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

I see the destruction of Jerusalem as His wrath His vengeance for the murder of His Son.
 

oyster67

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Quoting scripture does not define the love of God.
Actually, it does.

1 John 3:16
“Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.”

God bless, brother. (y)
 

oyster67

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LOL. I simply created a new post for discussion, is that a problem for you? If you don't want to get involved, comment on another thread and stop harassing me, or I will report you.
So sorry, dear brother. Please do report all of us if that is what it takes to alleviate your inflammation.
 

Magenta

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Therefore we also, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which so easily ensnares us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us,
looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.
Hebrews 12:2

Hebrews 12:1-3
:)
 

chess-player

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Of course you are not. You are pfishing here, and one who pfishes does not reveal their thoughts/ideas/beliefs. That would be counterproductive.

Trolling, trolling, trolling
Are you that obnoxious with everyone else too? What's your beef with me?
 
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pottersclay

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Gods love is immeasurable....Gods wrath is everlasting.
 

Adstar

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This was my original question: << What is the correct biblical definition of the wrath of God, and how does it differentiate from the love of God since both attributes proceed from the same God (Father, Son, and Spirit)? Is there a contradiction? >>

So, we (sort of) understand what God's wrath is, but how do we define God's love recognizing that both His wrath and His love (agape) proceed from the same person?
Well the Love of God is long suffering ( putting up with our faultiness for a long time ( Not forever ) It is agape Love in that it will gift us forgiveness very rapidly when we acknowledge of sin and ask for His forgiveness,, There is no contradiction between Gods wrath and His love.. Gods love does not prevent His justice / retribution upon the unrepentant evil doer.. God because of His love is willing to forgive the evil doer as soon as they repent but if a person does not repent then they leave a Just God with no alternative then Judgement in the form of wrath..

None of Gods attributes can act to corrupt any other of His attributes.. Gods love cannot force Gods justice to be corrupt and turn a blind eye to unrepentant evil..