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wattie

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The main thing that seems to happen in osas v not osas threads is the accusation on the osas supporter they are teaching a license to sin.

I think this comes from a good place in people wanting someone to be faithful to Jesus continually and not slack off.

The thing is though.. how does a believer flee sin and follow Jesus continually, if sin actually has not been completely covered by Him?

This is where once saved always saved is not about teaching a license to sin, but true freedom from sin.

If a believer can lose salvation , they are in a behavioural contract to Jesus that doesn't have an underlying unconditional love. They can't truly flee sin, because they are on a mouse wheel of effort!

A believer can flee sin if they are not in bandage to it. Osas.. is about having this bandage removed by Jesus..so there is no conditional contract of works. It isn't about getting saved and then just doing whatever.

It's the only way a believer can truly flee sin, because they aren't bound to it by a behavioural contract.

John 3:16, 5:24, Roman's 10, 5:8, Titus 3:5.

So before you go to the 'preaching a license to sin' line... think about how someone can truly flee from sin. How can they if they are in a behavioural contract?
Oops.. bondage, not bandage removed by Jesus. :)
 

HeIsHere

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I think this comes from a good place in people wanting someone to be faithful to Jesus continually and not slack off.
I completely agree with the other parts of your post, but I am not sure we can say it comes from a good place.

To those who preach grace is a license to sin, Paul stated, "their condemnation is just."
 

wattie

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I completely agree with the other parts of your post, but I am not sure we can say it comes from a good place.

To those who preach grace is a license to sin, Paul stated, "their condemnation is just."
Yeah I was trying to be understanding... but it's true what you say
 

VCO

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I have heard recently a lot of about NOT wanting the Jews to build the THIRD TEMPLE.

I don't think many Christians even try to Prophecy. YES I want Israel to build the Third Temple, not only because we Get Raptured shortly ahead of that time, but because It how Jesus is Planning to put an end of Antichrist, when he will sit in the Third Temple, and it will be destroyed when When Christ in HIS Second Coming.

THEN comes the Forth Temple, that is NOT BUILT in Jerusalem or the City of David. It is built on the Chebar River, and is the Millennial TEMPLE, which Christ will build Himself:

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That is not necessarily what it will look like, because Christ has the blueprint plan in his HEAD.

Isaiah 46:11 (HCSB)
11 . . . Yes, I have spoken; so I will also bring it about. I have planned it; I will also do it.
 

VCO

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Do you know the ROMAN X LEGION, had 300 Horses, and every Legion had 300 Horses. That Stable was that LARGE, And and the Roman X Calvary had to slept on the 2nd floor by Roman Law, And a photo proves the two exits frome the Stable were on South Wall, And The Temple was on the OPHEL.

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Count the Support Pillars.

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I colored in the exit doorways, of the Triple Gate, and the Roman X Stables. To show where they were at the time of Christ. That are completed walled in now.
 

cv5

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Do you know the ROMAN X LEGION, had 300 Horses, and every Legion had 300 Horses. That Stable was that LARGE, And and the Roman X Calvary had to slept on the 2nd floor by Roman Law, And a photo proves the two exits frome the Stable were on South Wall, And The Temple was on the OPHEL.

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Count the Support Pillars.

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I colored in the exit doorways, of the Triple Gate, and the Roman X Stables. To show where they were at the time of Christ. That are completed walled in now.
Basically correct. The Temple is located now in the City of David....lower down and south. The western wall is actually part of the Antonia Fortress.
 

VCO

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Basically correct. The Temple is located now in the City of David....lower down and south. The western wall is actually part of the Antonia Fortress.
On my Thread, "THIRD TEMPLE NEWS" (I should have added From Israel) to the title, I RECENTLY, found SEVERAL picture Inside the Stable, and Several Pictures inside the so called Temple Mount in the Southeast Corner. It reeks from ROMAN OCCUPATION with a FULL LEGION, from DAY ONE. I also found ROMAN X LEGION on Several old relics in Museums in Jerusalem. NO INFO ON WHERE THEY FOUND THEM, but the shear number ROMAN X LEGIONS with 6000 Troops, 4000 Support Personnel (shop keepers), and
300 Cavalry, WHERE THERE IN FORCE.
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The relics include LXF stamped on every tile Square, which stand for Legio X Fretensis, which is what they the Roman X Legion, called themselves. Those Tile Squares were usen in Swimming Pools, Walls, and Floors. On one Woman's Broach, on Rings that had been lost, etc.

Here is a Quote from the Historian Josephus that says it all.

Quote:
Flavius Josephus

War of the Jews
Book 5
Chapter 5
Section 8


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all the space of the tower of Antonia itself was built upon, to the height of forty cubits. The inward parts had the largeness and form of a palace, it being parted into all kinds of rooms and other conveniences, such as courts, and places for bathing, and broad spaces for camps; insomuch that, by having all conveniences that cities wanted, it might seem to be composed of several cities, but by its magnificence it seemed a palace. And as the entire structure resembled that of a tower, it contained also four other distinct towers at its four corners; whereof the others were but fifty cubits high; whereas that which lay upon the southeast corner was seventy cubits high, that from thence the whole temple might be viewed; but on the corner where it joined to the two cloisters {Covered Walkways down to the lower Hill, one went to the North Gate, the other to the East Gate.} of the temple, it had passages down to them both, through which the guard (for there always lay in this tower a Roman legion) went several ways among the cloisters, with their arms, on the Jewish festivals, in order to watch the people, that they might not there attempt to make any innovations; for the temple was a fortress that guarded the city, as was the tower of Antonia a guard to the temple; and in that tower were the guards of those three (14). There was also a peculiar fortress belonging to the upper city, which was Herod's palace; but for the hill Bezetha, it was divided from the tower Antonia, as we have already told you; and as that hill on which the tower of Antonia stood was the highest of these three,
https://www.biblestudytools.com/history/flavius-josephus/war-of-the-jews/book-5/chapter-5.html
:END QUOTE.

OBVIOUSLY THE TEMPLE WAS ON A LOWER HILL. Why are all the Shops the Troops and Support Personnel, were in one place, Fortress Antonia? It was ROMAN LAW, that the TROOPS and Support Personnel COULD NOT SPEND A SINGLE COIN IN A JEWISH SHOP. So there were a great number of SHOPS ran by Support Personnel, INSIDE Fortress Antonia.

I stitched this drawing from several sources, but the Cloisters (Cover Walkways) I had not found out about them at the time I stitched these together.

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crossnote

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Gee, it took 7,640 pages to go from 'justification by faith alone' to the 4th Temple...what a maneuver, lol
 

VCO

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Gee, it took 7,640 pages to go from 'justification by faith alone' to the 4th Temple...what a maneuver, lol
The Third Temple is in GOD's Plan, and it is beyond me how few Christians want to see it finished, and THINK IT IS ALREADY FINISHED. It is not for us to worship in, it is the plan of GOD to trap the Antichrist, into committing the gravest sin of all, to CLAIM to BE God himself. Satan, the Antichrist, and the Beast, WILL HAVE NO EXCUSE to escape GOD's JUSTICE.

2 Thessalonians 2:3-12 (NIV)
3 Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction.
4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped,
so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God.
5 Don't you remember that when I was with you I used to tell you these things?
6 And now you know what is holding him back, so that he may be revealed at the proper time.
7 For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way.
8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming.
9 The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders,
10 and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.
11 For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie
12 and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.

Isaiah 46:11-13 (NIV)
11 . . . What I have said, that will I bring about; what I have planned, that will I do.
12 Listen to me, you stubborn-hearted, you who are far from righteousness.
13 I am bringing my righteousness near, it is not far away; and my salvation will not be delayed. I will grant salvation to Zion, my splendor to Israel.

There are several Prophesies in the O.T., YET TO BE FULFILLED. The BIBLE is COMPLETE, and PROPHESIES WILL BE COMPLETED BY HIM.
 

shittim

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a thread I visit often, doing the Lord's work.
Best wishes(y):)
 

VCO

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I found something NEW and very interesting on my usual thread search, late last Night:


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Now if that is the REAL Staircase on the Ground Floor, in the Southeast corner of the so-called Temple Mount, going from the Roman X Legion STABLE to the Second Floor Barracks above the Stable; the off white indicates there were TILES glued there to that off white stuff. About 12:20 Last night, I found a Tile in a Jerusalem Museum that ABSOLUTELY TOTALLY FITS, what I have proven the Ground Floor to be, ROMAN X CAVALRY STABLES on "THIRD TEMPLE NEWS" thread. It is as if they personally SIGNED IT. And I thanked Jesus, for leading to that Site.

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I can picture every Roman X Cavalry Soldier, during a FULL SCALE ALERT, running down those stairs to their Mounts, slapping their palms against one of those stones for Luck, as they rode into BATTLE. That LEGX F is Legio X Fretensis, what the Legion called themselves.

Roman Law requires that 300 Cavalry had to be stationed with EVERY LEGION, and that every Cavalry Soldier could not sleep more than one Floor from his Horse.