The Israelis set for new Jewish temple on Al-Aqsa site

You can make your case, bring together all the scripture, it will not matter.

It is very difficult for people who have relied on the teachings of others and absorbed that teaching without any critical thinking skills and really digging into scripture to relinquish what now is something they need on an emotional level to be true.

I think it will take a few generations into the future before Christians realize they have been lied to, in order to advance a political agenda the creation of the nation of Israel in the middle east to be supported by Christians as part of the plan.

Roman's Chapter One tells us that God has made things simple enough even Sinners who Reject and Deny God are WITHOUT EXCUSE.

Your Doctrine is so Complicated EVEN YOU JUST ADMITTED it requires a Critical Thinking Skills.

Which is Interesting, because, all my Life listening to hundreds of Preachers, They ALL TAUGHT, Anything that requires an Critical Thinking CONCEPT is 100% Satanic.

And your post I have quoted confirms this about the pre-Mill Doctrine.

Which is why it is the least Minority Viewpoint.

"Come let us reason together."
God gave us a brain, use it.

That is about the Gospel, not a Doctrine, that requires not seeing what is directly in front of you.

Critical thinking is discernment.
I am really not sure what your objection is, eschatology is doctrine.

NO, Discernment, is the Holy Spirit, nothing that YOU do!

Also, ecumenically and grammatically.

If you read book of Revelation there isnt going to be any temple and actually there will be a tree planted there with a river running through it, so any architects plans are not what God has planned for the new Jerusalem.

People obssessed with temple building could just move to Utah or become mormons.

I agree that a temple will be built, and not long after tainted, by the transgression of desolation act (2Thesslaonians2:3-4) by the Antichrist - when he reveals himself not to be the messiah figure that the Jews will have first thought - when they embrace him to be their King of Israel following the Gog/Magog event.

The Gog/Maggo event will eliminate any Muslim opposition to the temple to be built. Whether it is built before then, maybe, I don't know. The Jews (Judaism) many of them believe that the messiah will have a hand in building the temple.

I highly recommend reading this material from the generational line of Apostle John's disciples called the Antichrist by Hippoyltus'

CHURCH FATHERS: On Christ and Antichrist (Hippolytus) (newadvent.org)

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Ok. I had a little time to delve into the millennial temple prophecy, and it actually is detailed in Ezekiel.

Here's an interesting article that provides a good overview (first part included in this post):

The Millennial Temple--Ezekiel 40-48 (middletownbiblechurch.org)

The Millennial Temple of

Ezekiel 40-48

(An Exercise in Literal Interpretation)

Dr. John C. Whitcomb

[used by permission]

Those who have discovered that the key to interpreting God's Word properly is to understand it in a normal/literal way, will also discover that Ezekiel 40-48 is not a burden to the Bible student, but a delight. What joy God brings to the heart of the believer when he realizes, perhaps for the first time, that God did not give us any portion of His Word to confuse us, but rather to enlighten us. God really does mean what He says!

The last nine chapters of Ezekiel serve almost as a test case for God's people. In the words of Charles Lee Feinberg, a great Old Testament scholar of the 20th century, “Along with certain other key passages of the Old Testament, like Isaiah 7:14 and 52:13-53:12 and portions of Daniel, the concluding chapters of Ezekiel form a kind of continental divide in the area of Biblical interpretation. It is one of the areas where the literal interpretation of the Bible and the spiritualizing or allegorizing method diverge widely. Here amillennialists and premillennialists are poles apart. When thirty-nine chapters of Ezekiel can be treated detailedly and seriously as well as literally, there is no valid reason a priori for treating this large division of the book in an entirely different manner." (The Prophecy of Ezekiel. [Chicago: Moody Press, 1967], p. 233).

God will fulfill His covenant promises to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. God's "chosen people" will enjoy their "promised land" some day, after they have experienced national regeneration (Jer. 31:31-34; Rom. 11:25-26). Not just for the Church, but also for Israel, "the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable" (Rom. 11:29).

We now present seven arguments in support of, and three arguments in opposition to a literal interpretation of Ezekiel 40-48.

Arguments in Support of a Literal Interpretation

1. A careful reading of Ezekiel 40-42 gives one the clear impression of a future literal Temple for Israel because of the immense number of details concerning its dimensions, its parts and its contents (see Erich Sauer, From Eternity To Eternity, chapter 34). Surely, if so much space in the Holy Scriptures is given to a detailed description of this Temple, we are safe in assuming that it will be as literal as the Tabernacle and the Temple of Solomon. The fact that its structure and ceremonies will have a definite symbolical and spiritual significance cannot be used as an argument against its literal existence. For the Tabernacle was a literal structure in spite of the fact that it was filled with symbolic and typical significance. Such reasoning might easily deny the literalness of Christ's glorious Second Coming on the basis that the passages which describe His coming are filled with symbolical expressions (see Matthew 24 and Revelation 19).

2. Ezekiel was given specific instructions to "declare all thou seest to the house of Israel" (40:4), which seems strange if the Temple were to symbolize only general truths. Even more significant is the fact that the Israelites were to "keep the whole form thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and do them" (43:11). This is an exact parallel to the pattern of the Tabernacle which Moses saw in the Mount, and which God commanded him to construct (Exodus 25:8,9).

3. All will agree that the Temple of Ezekiel 8-11 was the literal Temple of Ezekiel's day, even though the prophet saw it "in the visions of God" (8:3) while he himself was still in Babylon (8:1). In these four chapters we find mention of "the door of the gate of the inner court" (8:3), "the porch" (8:16), "the altar" (8:16), "the threshold of the house" (9:3), and "the east gate of Jehovah's house" (10:19). Now without any indication whatever than an ideal temple instead of a literal Temple is being set forth in chapters 40-42, we find similar if not identical descriptive formulas being used: "in the visions of God" (40:2; cf. 8:3), "a gate to the inner court" (40:27; cf. 8:3), "the porch of the house" (40:48; cf. 8:16), "the altar" (43:18; cf. 8:16), and "the gate which looketh towards the east" (43:3; cf. 10:19), through which the glory of the God of Israel is seen returning, exactly as He had departed, according to 10:19 and 11:23. Now if the Millennial Temple is not to be a reality, then why insist that the return of the God of Israel is to be a reality?

4. Ezekiel is not the only Old Testament prophet who saw a future, glorious Temple for God's chosen people Israel, complete with animal sacrifices, in the Holy Land:


a) Prophecies of a Millennial Temple:

Joel 3:18

Isaiah 2:3

Isaiah 60:13

Daniel 9:24

Haggai 2:7,9

b) Prophecies of animal sacrifices in the future Temple:

Isaiah 56:6,7

Isaiah 60:7

Jeremiah 33:18

Zechariah 14:16-21

5. God has definitely promised to the line of Zadok an everlasting priesthood (1 Sam. 2:35; 1 Kings 2:27,35). This confirms God's promise of an everlasting priesthood to Zadok’s ancestor Phinehas (Num. 25:13), which also confirms His promise of an everlasting priesthood to Phinehas' grandfather Aaron (Exodus 29:9; 40:15). See 1 Chronicles 6:3-8, 50-53 for the full genealogy. Furthermore, this promise of an everlasting priesthood was strongly confirmed by God through Jeremiah 33:17-22, who links the perpetuity of the Levitical priests with the perpetuity of the Davidic Kingship and the perpetuity of the earth's rotation on its axis! In view of these promises of God, confirmed again and again, it is highly significant that the Millennial Temple of Ezekiel will have the sons of Zadok as its priests! (40:46, 44:15). God apparently means what He says! The intrinsic probability of this being fulfilled literally is strengthened tremendously by the mention of 12,000 Levites who will be sealed by God during the yet future seventieth week of Daniel (Rev. 7:7). If these are literal Levites it would hardly be consistent to maintain that the Temple is spiritual or figurative. And if God's promises to Aaron, Phinehas, and Zadok are spiritualized, how can we insist that His promises to David will be fulfilled literally (2 Sam. 7:13,16)?

6. The Bible clearly teaches that while there is no such thing as an earthly Temple, an altar, or animal sacrifices in true Christianity (John 4:21, Heb. 7-10), there will be such provisions for Israel following the rapture of the Church (Matt. 24, 2 Thess. 2:4, Rev. 11:1,2. Compare also Hosea 3:4,5 with Daniel 9:24,27). Furthermore, Revelation 20:9 indicates that Jerusalem, the "beloved city," will once again be "the camp of the saints" during the millennial age. The clear New Testament teaching of a post-rapture "holy place" and "temple of God" in Jerusalem, complete with "the altar" (Rev.11:1), prepares us to anticipate a Millennial Temple in connection with the "holy city" Jerusalem, in harmony with Old Testament teaching.

7. The only real alternatives to the literal interpretation are unbelieving modernism which does not hesitate to say that this Temple was a mere figment of Ezekiel's imagination, and a fanciful idealism, usually amillennial, which says that this Temple depicts certain realities of the Church which shall be fulfilled in our times or in the eternal state. (See, for example, Beasley-Murray on Ezekiel in the New Bible Commentary: Revised, 1970, p. 684.) Andrew W. Blackwood, Jr., in Ezekiel, Prophecy of Hope (Baker Book House, 1965), believes that the centrality of the altar in Ezekiel's Temple points to centrality of the communion table in the Christian church! In light of this, Dr. Blackwood is disturbed that "in many of the beautiful Protestant churches that are being built today, the table of Holy Communion is crowded back against the wall at the greatest possible distance from the congregation, as was the medieval Roman Catholic custom. But today in the beautiful new Roman Catholic churches that are being constructed the sacramental table is brought away from the wall; so that the congregation, insofar as it is physically possible, surrounds the table. Ezekiel certainly is telling us that church architecture should be an expression of theology" (p. 240).

Check out Ruby123's posting for a YouTube news clip she posted that is quite interesting (post# 80 a couple down from yours).

op: New Jewish temple?
Just curious if this news is going to cause the 'date setters' to come out of the
woodwork to prophesy to the Body of Christ about the 'signs' of the times of the
end or 2nd Coming, or the rapture?

Or should we not rather be "living by faith ( not by sight )" while "looking, watching,
and patiently waiting" for our Blessed Hope, with ↑ no signs?:

God's Great GRACE Departure!

Amen.

Here's an interesting Jewish perspective...

Update on the Building of the Third Temple | Jewish Voice

This probably isn't on the secular news sources' radar at this point. I suspect that will change if/when construction begins.

I've been a big fan of the Apostle John's Disciples like Polycarp, Ignatius, Papias, others, and definitely as you mentioned, Hippolytus.

Many of these Disciples, of John, write similar things. This is really most interesting. Here is a comparison between Jesus and the Antichrist, taught by Apostle John, to his Disciples.

6. Now, as our Lord Jesus Christ, who is also God, was prophesied of under the figure of a lion, on account of His royalty and glory, in the same way have the Scriptures also aforetime spoken of Antichrist as a lion, on account of his tyranny and violence. For the deceiver seeks to liken himself in all things to the Son of God. Christ is a lion, so Antichrist is also a lion; Christ is a king,John 18:37 so Antichrist is also a king. The Saviour was manifested as a lamb; John 1:29 so he too, in like manner, will appear as a lamb, though within he is a wolf. The Saviour came into the World in the circumcision, and he will come in the same manner. The Lord sent apostles among all the nations, and he in like manner will send false apostles. The Saviour gathered together the sheep that were scattered abroad, and he in like manner will bring together a people that is scattered abroad. The Lord gave a seal to those who believed on Him, and he will give one like manner. The Saviour appeared in the form of man, and he too will come in the form of a man. The Saviour raised up and showed His holy flesh like a temple, John 2:19 and he will raise a temple of stone in Jerusalem.

Now, look at this closely:
The Saviour appeared in the form of man, and he too will come in the form of a man. The Saviour raised up and showed His holy flesh like a temple, John 2:19 and he will raise a temple of stone in Jerusalem.

Saviour appears as a MAN
Antichrist appears as a MAN

Saviour raised up his flesh as the TEMPLE
Antichrist will raise up a TEMPLE of STONE


Clearly, this is not the Temple destroyed in 70 AD because God, not the Antichrist, ordered that one built.
So, the one the Antichrist will build, is STILL ON ITS WAY!

But more importantly, we KNOW that the Apostle John taught there will be a FUTURE STONE TEMPLE that the ANTICHRIST will BUILD, and John's Disciples, have it in WRITING!

^ that post means, by way of Apostle John, through his Disciples, Pre-Mill Theory, is 100% Incorrect!

Another of John's disciples who wrote long after 70 AD by the name of Irenaeus wrote this about the antichrist and the temple. Irenaeus actually talked with Polycarp who was the last named living disciple of Apostle John. Irenaeus was born approx 120 AD and died approx 200 AD

CHURCH FATHERS: Against Heresies, V.25 (St. Irenaeus) (newadvent.org) Book 5 chapter 25

This article comes from a reputable news source as well. It seems the red heifers need to remain without blemish for 3 years, and I got the impression that the soonest construction could begin on the temple is in 2024. There is a lot of heated debate on this subject, so there are political, legal, social, and of course religious problems to solve before work on the temple becomes a firm project.

From Texas to Israel: Red heifers needed for Temple arrive - The Jerusalem Post (jpost.com)

Based on the research I've done this weekend, I don't see construction on the third temple beginning anytime in the near future. There are way too many heated and controversial issues to resolve, and I don't see the Palestinians, Muslims as a whole, and much of the international community supporting the Temple Mount becoming Jewish property again. That site is sacred to Muslims as well.

Construction on a new temple, perhaps the one detailed in the Book of Ezekiel, may not begin until Christ returns. I do not see a strong Biblically-based argument supporting the idea that another temple needs to be built for the tribulation and Second Coming to occur.