There will be no Rapture!!!

No ONE ever preached or wrote about Pre-Trib Rapture.
A HERETIC created it and the blinded are spoon feeding off the fool like a junkie with a full syringe.

The Church Fathers, you know, who were taught by the APOSTLES, who wrote the New Testament, all claim the Rapture is AFTER the AC is revealed.

Paul, is just saying in Verse TWO, that Day [Day of the Lord], hasn't happened yet.
get over it.

ok, i believe in
אַשְׁרֵ֥י הַֽמְחַכֶּ֖ה וְיַגִּ֑יעַ לְיָמִ֕ים אֶ֕לֶף שְׁלֹ֥שׁ מֵא֖וֹת שְׁלֹשִׁ֥ים וַחֲמִשָּֽׁה׃
Happy the one who waits and reaches one thousand three hundred and thirty-five days.)

which then is after Mid-Trib, but to me is still Pre-Wrath.

Paul only states after the AC is revealed, which we know is after Mid-Point.

A hundred years before Darby, another writer clearly distinguished [time-wise] between our Rapture "IN THE AIR" and Christ's Second Coming to the earth.

But that's besides the issue.

It just proves, however, that the supposed idea that DARBY STARTED IT, simply is untrue.

The REAL issue is, what does SCRIPTURE ITSELF tell us.

Which is what I've been endeavoring to show, throughout this thread.


This idea ^ has been debunked early in this thread, not only by Radius who posted a relevant video in Post #55 (pg 3) of this thread; but also by a post I'd put, with a link to an older post/thread making the same point as the TITLE of that video states, in my Post #659 (pg 33) of this thread, which posts also cover briefly what Irenaeus wrote about, here: https://christianchat.com/threads/there-will-be-no-rapture.212356/post-5146917

This is what I see you as doing.


Just sayin'






[explained in my Posts #1072 and #1068... for just a cpl examples]

You forgot the most salient and critically important fact:
The Daniel chapter 12 prophecy is for Israel and Israel alone!
Same goes for Daniel chapter 9.

And you thought Daniel chapter 9 chapter 12 was appointed to Christians??????

This idea ^ has been debunked early in this thread, not only by Radius who posted a relevant video in Post #55 (pg 3) of this thread; but also by a post I'd put, with a link to an older post/thread making the same point as the TITLE of that video states, in my Post #659 (pg 33) of this thread, which posts also cover briefly what Irenaeus wrote about, here: https://christianchat.com/threads/there-will-be-no-rapture.212356/post-5146917

The falsehood (v.2) was that "the day of the Lord" (THE TRIB) "IS PRESENT / IS ALREADY HERE [PERFECT indicative; transitive verb in Grk]"



Can't possibly be present, without the presence [G3952] of "the man of sin" (the *star character*, so to speak, of the "IN THE NIGHT" segment OF "the DOTL" [i.e.7-yrs-worth]!).






But once SEAL #1 / the INITIAL "birth PANG [singular; per 1Th5:1-3 ; Matt24:4/Mk13:5]" happens (which IS the "whose COMING / parousia [G3952]" OF the man of sin IN HIS TIME, aka his "BE REVEALED") the DOTL WILL INDEED "BE PRESENT" (the subject OF THE FALSE CLAIM, v.2!)

Wrong. AC is revealed at the very beginning of the DOTL.

Dan 9:27
And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week (7 years): and in the midst of the week (3-1/2 years) he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

This guy. Albeit he has not reached the pinnacle of his power until Satan indwells him mid-trib.

Rev 6:2
And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

And this is when the AC reaches the zenith of his power......AFTER DEATH AND RESURRECTION!

Rev 13:3
And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
Rev 13:4
And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him? (HE CANNOT BE KILLED OR DEFEATED)
Rev 13:5
And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months (SEE DAN 9:27).
Rev 13:6
And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

And another thing: PERSECUTION OF THE SAINTS BEGINS IN EARNEST AFTER MID-TRIB! NO RAPTURE ACTION GOING ON HERE BUDDY!

Rev 13:7
And (THEN!) it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

In the link you gave you said you did not watch the video(correct me if I'm incorrect). have you ever read AH from Irenaeus from beginning to end yourself?

Here's one to get you started..

Yup. From Luke 21:12 thru 24. Definitely. The other stuff......not so much.

Luk 21:12
But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake.

Yep are you worried about this these days? I'm not, this was specifically talking about THAT time when that happened all the time.

Luk 21:24
And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

Again talking about a very specific time and place, NOTHING about us today. It's talking about the people IN Jerusalem, not only that but says until the time of the gentiles is fulfilled. Well being a gentile I'd say that happen, we're in now.

Isa 11:11
And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.
This is talking about a second time, I see nothing about a 3rd time, nor have you answered the 3rd Temple dilemma.

very weak case for pre-trib presented here

I won't if it happens. Oooppps correction: WHEN it happens.

["pre-trib rapture" doctrine is NOT exclusively held by Calvinists... people of all stripes hold to it... So it is not accurate to intimate that it is exclusively (or even "mostly") Calvinist doctrine. NOT SO!! (red herring, much?? )]

1) Can't tell me how is it going to happen though,
2) nor can you explain to me how with scripture closed that this can happen logically.

Show me the Verse where Jesus tells us He is making a Secret Trip?

What a silly question. Anything that is reserved for the saints is AUTOMATICALLY SECRET to the unbelieving world. Indeed the parables of the Kingdom were given so that the unbelievers and mockers and scoffers would not even know what Christ was talking about. The Rapture is reserved for believing saints, so you have excluded yourself from that group.