Bible verses that help us understand the rapture

Halloween Rapture Dreams: The 3-Year Warning Ending

Joel told us God would give us these dreams to help us understand.

amen because that’s what Jesus , Paul’s Lord taught in the gospel Paul eas an apostle an “ annointed messenger “

“These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.”
‭‭John‬ ‭16:33‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“All these are the beginning of sorrows. Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake. And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:6-10, 12-14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them.

And the gospel must first be published among all nations. But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.

Now the brother shall betray the brother to death, and the father the son; and children shall rise up against their parents, and shall cause them to be put to death. And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things.

But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken. And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭13:9-13, 23-27‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Paul was a servant and messenger of Jesus the lord of course he was teaching the same things indeed

“confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭14:22‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And ye became followers of us, and of the Lord, having received the word in much affliction, with joy of the Holy Ghost: so that ye were ensamples to all that believe in Macedonia and Achaia.”
‭‭1 Thessalonians‬ ‭1:6-7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world. But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you.”
‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭5:8-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God. Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭8:18-19, 35, 37-39‬ ‭KJV‬‬


Tribulation is part of being a child of God in a wicked world

“And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness. And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭5:19-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Paul was imprisoned and eventually executed as most of the apostles and early disciples were when Rome destroyed Jerusalem and blamed Christian’s for burning rome state sponsored persecution of christians officially became Roman law for a few hundred years

It’s crazy how people argue for a pre trubulation rapture , Jesus specifically states they would have to go through and endure this great tribulation he was explaining to them was coming upon the world and specifically says after that tribulation concludes he would return and gather his people

Its to me crazy because all the doctrine written down about this is the same it all is based on what Jesus said about his return after the tribulation

pauls words make perfect sense if we hear what Jesus was saying in the gospel

Yes, it does, and I believe Paul, and all the apostles will be part of the dead in Christ who rise first. How could they be raptured if they miss the last seven years of this age?

Are you saying that the only tribulation any saints know in the entire church age is during this last seven years? If that were so then how could the dead in christ rise first?

Also, what is so special about the last seven years of tribulation? We have had thousands maybe millions of martyrs for Jesus in the last two thousand years, are you saying they didn't experience tribulation?

If believers have experienced tribulation for the last two thousand years just as all those verses you posted confirm then show me the verse that all of that doesn't count if you don't experience tribulation during the last 7 years?

The only real difference is that during the tribulation you are given an ultimatum, die for Christ or lose your salvation. Prior to that people had a choice to take up the cross and some chose the cross and many tried to wiggle out of it.

“Yes, it does, and I believe Paul, and all the apostles will be part of the dead in Christ who rise first”

“For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord

shall not prevent them which are asleep.

“For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.”
‭‭1 Thessalonians‬ ‭4:15-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

You take this to mean Paul is including himself in the group of the dead raised up at his coming ?

“How could they be raptured if they miss the last seven years of this age?”

What are you talking about when you say “ raptured “ ? I’m not really sure I’m thinking you’re talking about when Jesus returns to gather his people like he promised to do at the end of the world ?

Is this what you’re referring to when you say “ the rapture “ ?

“But in those days, after that tribulation, ( that Jesus just explained they would have to go through ) the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.

And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭13:24-27‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Or are you talkin about something else that’s in the Bible ?

“Are you saying that the only tribulation any saints know in the entire church age is during this last seven years? If that were so then how could the dead in christ rise first?”

no I’m saying seven years is symbolic not literal the tribulation began just after Jesus ascended and Satan began his war against the saints Jerusalem was destroyed in 67-70 ad and Jews and Christian’s were slaughtered and persecuted for hindreds of years after by rome who ruled the earth at that time and it continues today no matter who rules Christian’s and Jews also have and will always go through tribulation until Jesus returns to end it

Every year brother Christian’s are killed in the world because of thier faith many right now are imprisoned because of thier faith also just a few years ago isis beheaded on camera 21 Christian missionaries

the tribulation is this time period after Jesus was taken up to the throne in heaven until the end of the world

These posts are too long and convoluted to respond to, pick a question, make it clear, and make that a single post.

I agree that the tribulation has been for the entire church age, I do not like to refer to the last seven years as "the tribulation" and even worse is when people call it "the great tribulation". I think the proper name is "the seventieth week" which is the last seven years for the Lord to deal with Israel and it begins when the church age ends. So "pre tribulation rapture" is a very poor wording, and "rapture at the end of the church age" would be much clearer.

However, just like the crucifixion of Jesus did not end the period for the Jews, they had 40 years on which to repent and receive the gospel before the temple was cast down and they were scattered to the four corners of the Earth. In the same way the 70th week begins, the church age ends, but you still get a period of grace for those not ready to be caught up to the heavens to be with Jesus.

That is incorrect. Yes, Christians will in fact have trials and tribulations and persecutions, but the Tribulation is a UNIQUE FUTURE EVENT according to the Bible. The Great Tribulation follows it.

I agree. The tribulation of the end times is very “unique.” Regarding the great tribulation, which I believe is when the Antichrist is here on earth, here is what’s written about that:

Rev. 12:12
Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

I would agree Nehemiah6 is correct in his assessment.

But I would add from the time the antichrist takes his seat in the temple of God to the bowl judgments he has assembled his kingdom. Those that live thru the Seal and Trumpet Judgments will discover the bowl judgements are far worse and called the Great Tribulation.

I try not to equate Daniel’s 70th week with the great tribulation, the time of Jacob’s trouble. The great tribulation is 42 months, which is fulfilled during the last 42 months of Daniel’s 70th week. I believe the body of Christ will be on earth for the first half of Daniel’s week, then removed as Jacob faces their time of trouble.

I too, see the church removed during the 7th Trump as Jacob enters their time of trouble at the reaping of the earth in Rev. 14.

Mat.24:21 For then there will be great tribulation ( or suffering ), such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be.

Yes, but those who know the Lord will not be hurt by the bowl judgments. God isn’t angry at those who call upon Him.
Jeremiah 10:25 Pour out thy fury upon the heathen that know thee not, and upon the families that call not on thy name: for they have eaten up Jacob, and devoured him, and consumed him, and have made his habitation desolate.

Psalm 79:5-7 How long, LORD? Will You be angry forever? Will Your jealousy burn like fire? Pour out Your wrath on the nations that do not know You, And on the kingdoms that do not call on Your name. For they have devoured Jacob, And laid waste his dwelling place.

I,m afraid you didn't understand. We said the body of Christ or the church will not be here for the Bowl Judgements.

Church age

Matthew 13:21 Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended.

John 16:33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

Acts 14:42 Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.

Romans 5:3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;

Romans 8:35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?

Romans 12:12 Rejoicing in hope; patient in tribulation; continuing instant in prayer;

2Corinthians 1:4 Who comforteth us in all our tribulation, that we may be able to comfort them which are in any trouble, by the comfort wherewith we ourselves are comforted of God.

2Corinthians 7:4 Great is my boldness of speech toward you, great is my glorying of you: I am filled with comfort, I am exceeding joyful in all our tribulation.

Ephesians 3:13 Wherefore I desire that ye faint not at my tribulations for you, which is your glory.

1Thessalonians 3:4 For verily, when we were with you, we told you before that we should suffer tribulation; even as it came to pass, and ye know.

2Thessalonians 1:4 So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure:

Revelation 1:9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Revelation 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

70th Week

Matthew 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

Revelation 2:22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.

Revelation 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.


This doctrine that there is no pre 70th week rapture because we all must go through tribulation is a doctrine of ignorant men who don't read the Bible.

see post #33

Of course it is a unique future event, but the doctrine is that because Acts says we must go through tribulations that there is no "pre 70th week" rapture because you have to go through that unique event. Baloney. See post #33

The 70th week does not refer to the great tribulation, the great tribulation refers to the second half of the 70th week. There is no reason to even discuss that because the New Testament tells us that believers are not appointed to wrath and the Great Tribulation is when God pours out His wrath. The question is are believers raptured before the 70th week? When I say "beleivers" I am specifically not saying "all". That is not the question, can believers be saved out of the tribulation, yes, the Bible tells us clearly in Revelation that many are saved out of the tribulation. The question is, are believers, any believers, raptured prior to the 70th week and the Biblical evidence is overwhelming that some are.

The end of the age is the harvest. Tribulation is taken from the term tribulum which is an instrument used in the harvest. Everyone involved in gathering the harvest knows there are first fruits which ripen before the general harvest, there is a general harvest, and then there are gleanings. They also know some fields ripen before other fields.

It is also like graduation. Any school administrator or teacher knows some kids graduate early with honors, most graduate on time, and some need summer school and others need night school to get their GPA. The question is not do some get saved at the very last moment, the question is do some get rapture prior to the 70th week? The 70th week begins when the "times of the Gentiles" ends. I taught high school and prior to the graduation ceremony there would be an awards ceremony, only students getting a reward would be invited as well as their parents. You can look at the pre 70th week rapture as the reward ceremony to "those who love His appearing".

Agreed. I'm just pointing out that the tribulation period is only 42 months, not 7 years. Jacob's trouble is 3.5 years. The church will not be around for that. The first half of Daniel's week is peace.

3 Interpretations

Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand

16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:

18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.

19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

All three interpretations have validity and a strong case can be made by looking at history and other Bible verses.

1. This is a reference to the 70th week at the end of the age.

2. This is a reference to 70 AD.

3. My interpretation: 70AD was a shadow of things to come. The jews were given 40 years to received the salvation that Jesus gave them on the cross, and when they didn't the temple was torn down and they were scattered to the four winds. So 70AD is a preview of the judgement on those that reject the salvation of Jesus. However, there are plenty of verses around the Bible to make a strong case that the temple will be rebuilt (or at the least the tabernacle erected) and the sacrifices and oblations begun again.

Therefore Israel returning to the land, gaining control of Jerusalem and rebuilding the temple should help us see when the 70th week is about to begin. According to the law the priests cannot begin the sacrifices or rebuilding the temple without first sacrificing a red heifer and using the ashes of this sacrifice to cleanse the ground, the temple and the utensils. Red heifers are very rare and in the last 2,000 years Israel has only found the ones they now have that will be ready to sacrifice this spring.

Peace for who? Revelation describes the first 42 months of that week, it is when the two witnesses are sharing their ministry and it certainly is not "peaceful" for them or believers. The mark of the beast is instituted and it can be assumed that requiring you to take the mark or get your head chopped off would only be instituted if the situation was very dire. Perhaps a great famine.

Also Jacob's trouble refers to a ten day period from Feast of Trumpets to the Day of Atonement. I don't agree that a 3 1/2 year period is a fulfillment of a shadow that is ten days long. Instead I feel Jacob's trouble began on Feast of Trumpets in 2020, that was when all the nations began shutting down due to the pandemic. The Feast of Trumpets is the "longest day" and if you can't discern the new moon on the first day then it starts on the second. In 2021 they had the illegal vaccine mandates and that should have made it clear to everyone that we were in Jacob's trouble. After 3 days the high priest changes into a linen garment and goes to a chamber in the temple to be kept safe because he must be alive at the day of atonement. I believe that is a shadow of the rapture at the beginning of a seven day period concluding with the Day of Atonement.