The Rapture will happen in the middle of the Tribulation

i am my own person.
trust me, i am alone here.
if people were ran off because of me, it's because, they were tired of being proven wrong.
you made a broad statement about knowing people based upon their side of the 2 Scriptural references you provided.
i wondered if you were professing Discernment.
so, i did as i did.
but can clearly see, it was not the Gift of Discernment at all, but, you were just separating based off those Verses.

did we forget the armies of gog & magog ? These millions after almost a 1000 years of life without the devil rejected GOD an attack, so your reasoning is clearly flawed.
If He came and huing on a cross for them they would still just spit on Him. Let go of the fairytale stuff and stand up like a man.

Ezekiel 38 is about invading Israel [Gog and Magog]
Revelation is after the 1,000 year Reign and [Gog and Magog] attack God Himself

1 is a literal WAR
the other is joining forces to DECEIVE people away from God.

try understanding what you read.

That is a good point which the naysayers do not even take into account.

There is no question that it is God the Holy Spirit who is restraining Satan from taking full control of this world. The Holy Spirit also indwells all the saints, which means that as long as the Church and the Holy Spirit Himself are present on earth, the Antichrist (either controlled or indwelt by Satan) cannot take full control of this world (as revealed in Revelation 13). So in order for that to happen, BOTH the Church and the Holy Spirit must be "taken out of the way" (2 Thess 2). And where else would they go other than to Heaven?

Therefore, when Christ comes for His Bride at the Resurrection/Rapture, He come "in the air" to do so, and DOES NOT descend to earth (1 Thess 4:17). Also since the Resurrection/Rapture happens "in the twinkling of an eye" (in modern parlance within nanoseconds), and the saints meet the Lord "in the clouds" it is evident that there is absolutely no connection here to the Second Coming of Christ. And why wouldn't this awesome event be "secret" or hidden from the unbelieving world? Only God's people are involved.

Also, the whole seven year Tribulation period (corresponding to the 6th and 7th seal judgments) is for the expression of God's wrath against the unbelieving, the ungodly, the wicked, and God and Christ's enemies. On the other hand, as far as the children of God are concerned "God has NOT appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ". Why? Because Christ Himself took our judgment at the cross.

Therefore (1) you will not find the words "church" or "churches" in Revelation chapters 4-18 and (2) you will find no reference to the Rapture in Revelation either. Neither is there any reference to the Rapture in the Olivet Discourse (Matthew 24 etc). Paul calls it a "mystery" in 1 Corinthians 15:51,52. Even the OT prophets did not know about this, but the Rapture of Enoch was a precursor. It is only Paul who was given the revelation of this mystery, and the mystery that BOTH saved Jews and Gentiles would be in one Body (the Church), with Christ as its Head.

Yep, at the end of the 1,000-year Millennium, those who refuse to believe in the Messiah will experience what’s referred to as the second death.
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

- Revelation 21:8 (KJV)

"The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God"

Amen.
Precious friend, has nothing to do with studying God's Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided. We simply need Bible study Rules!
Yes, And Rightly Divides Them, Approved Unto God - ie:

The rapture is part of The Revelation Of The Mystery, From Christ To Paul,
From Heaven, The Final Destination Of The Body Of Christ.

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That Differ!” (online):

The Second Coming of Christ to the earth is part of Prophecy, given to the
twelve apostles, for Israel, who will inherit the earth!

More here:
Great GRACE Departure!

Amen.

Unless it happens at the beginning, or the End of the tribulation. BUT HEY!!!! it's only "theology".

I could be wrong. But from my studies, I see a pre-trib. No worries, Christ has my back either way.

The AG preaches "Pre-trib", which is good a guess as any. Right now, the color of the carpet in the sanctuary is more important.

Back in the '70s when the rapture was a "Hot topic" (as it always is in times of revival) there were companies selling "Revelation food" - dehydrated food - since in the "tribulation", you couldn't buy or sell without the "mark".

They had two "put-ups" 3-1/2 year and 7 year depending on your "Eschatology". They SUGGESTED, though, that to be safe, you should buy the 7 year supply. They DIDN'T include a shotgun and shells, however, to drive away your starving Christian neighbors who didn't buy their product.

I believe it's Pre-trib. I will explain it to you on the way up!
You have a great morning,afternoon or good night depending where you are brother.

Old Mother Hubbard
Went to the cupboard
To give the poor dog a bone
When she got there
The cupboard was bare
So the poor lil' dog had none

Why spend any time with someone who gets a nursery rhyme so wrong?

I don’t believe those who endure till the end will be removed. We stay right here on earth. Jesus Christ returns at the 7th trump and sets up His millennial Kingdom right here on earth. At this time, we will all be changed into spiritual bodies and reign with the King of kings/our Messiah throughout this one-thousand year period. 1 Cor. 15:52 tells us: In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

Satan's rebellion was an attempt to replace God in heaven:
“But you said in your heart, ‘I will ascend to heaven; I will raise my throne above the stars of God, And I will sit on the mount of assembly
In the recesses of the north. ‘I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High." Isiah 14:13, 14

Who was satan before he fell?
Ez 28:12 - “You had the seal of perfection, Full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.
Ez 28:13 - Every precious stone was your covering: Ruby, Topaz, Diamond, Beryl, Onyx, Jasper, Lapis lazuli, Turquoise, and Emerald; And the gold, the workmanship of your settings and sockets, was in you. On the day that you were created
Ez 28:14 - You were the anointed cherub who covers

So satan was a cherub-level angel, who surrounded/covered/protected the throne of God - perhaps the single greatest angel in all of heaven. His perfect beauty is described by these 9 precious and semiprecious stones that are all Pleochroism or multi-colored stones. We then see the Levitical priest's breastplate covered with 12 precious stones, each identifying each one of the twelve tribes of Israel, and then we find the New Jerusalem built on 12 very similar but slightly different precious and semi-precious Pleochroism stones. These associations are not meaningless!

How is it that satan fell?
Eze 28:17 - “Your heart was lifted up because of your beauty; You corrupted your wisdom by reason of your splendor.

What happened when satan fell?
Eze 28:18 - “By the multitude of your iniquities, In the unrighteousness of your trade You profaned your sanctuaries.

So satan corrupted the very courts of heaven and when he caused Adam and Eve to sin, he corrupted this world as well, becoming the god of this age (2 Corinthians 4:4).

Similarly, the Babylonian city system has been around since Genesis 11 when people rebelled just as satan did by seeking to build a city - tower whose top would reach into heaven so that they could make for name for themselves. The structure they built was not just a tower, it was a city-tower (Gen 11:4) עִיר - מִגְדָּל and I believe it would be man's counterfeit to God's planned New Jerusalem. This is why Babalon is the golden head of the great statue of Daniel 2, why the oral law of the Jews is called the Babylonian Talmud, and why the Roman Catholic Vatican sits on top of a Mythracic temple - a religion Rome imported from Babylon . . . Babalon represents man's rebellion against God and the satanic, antichrist spirit that guides that corporate empire.

The Book of Revelation often contrasts it's imagery. The mark of the beast in Rev 13 is contrasted with the seal of God on the 144,000 in Rev 14. The human/satanic city of Babalon of Rev 17-18 is contrasted with the New Jerusalem of Rev 21, and I believe, satan or the cherub who once covered the throne of God is being replaced by the Bride of Christ - or God's new Tabernacle!

Why is this explanation of God's end game of restoring all things to himself through the Bride and the New Jeruselum important in a thread regarding the rapture? The church has not just been removed from the earth to save them from the anti-creation event of Rev 6, they are removed to leave the earth to the people of Israel. In fact, the whole Millennial Kingdom will be all about the establishment of the Kingdom of Israel where Messiah will rule from Israel.