Day of the Lord and the Thief.

The prophet Jeremiah also spoke of the antichrist:

“The snorting of their horses is heard from Dan;
at the sound of the neighing of their stallions
the whole land quakes.
They come and devour the land and all that fills it,
the city and those who dwell in it.

Horses here are the disciples of the antichrist.

I don't find at all that is about the anti-christ. It is about the punishment about to come upon them for their constant sin and abominations.

The whole chapter points to that. Will just quote the verses above and below but there is no connection to the anti-christ.

Jeremiah 8.....
12Were they ashamed when they had committed abomination? nay, they were not at all ashamed, neither could they blush: therefore shall they fall among them that fall: in the time of their visitation they shall be cast down, saith the LORD.
13I will surely consume them, saith the LORD: there shall be no grapes on the vine, nor figs on the fig tree, and the leaf shall fade; and the things that I have given them shall pass away from them.
14Why do we sit still? assemble yourselves, and let us enter into the defenced cities, and let us be silent there: for the LORD our God hath put us to silence, and given us water of gall to drink, because we have sinned against the LORD.
15We looked for peace, but no good came; and for a time of health, and behold trouble!
16The snorting of his horses was heard from Dan: the whole land trembled at the sound of the neighing of his strong ones; for they are come, and have devoured the land, and all that is in it; the city, and those that dwell therein.
17For, behold, I will send serpents, cockatrices, among you, which will not be charmed, and they shall bite you, saith the LORD.

I owe you an apology, I didn't intend to disrail your thread. Paul does say the Lord's coming to gather His church will come as a thief in the night.
I tend toward post trib more than mid. I apologise.

... carry on

For the day of the Lord is near upon all the nations. As you have done, it shall be done to you, your deeds shall return on your own head, your deeds shall return on your own head.

Seems like America needs to hear this

5 “Behold, I will send you Eli′jah the prophet before the great and terrible day of the Lord comes. Malachi

Since the scriptures say the righteous only die once the two messengers has to be Enoch and Elijah

2 Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our assembling to meet him, we beg you, brethren, 2 not to be quickly shaken in mind or excited, either by spirit or by word, or by letter purporting to be from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. 3 Let no one deceive you in any way; for that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness[a] is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God.

The restrainer are christians

6 And you know what is restraining him now so that he may be revealed in his time. 7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only he who now restrains it will do so until he is out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed,

2 Thess 2

Who is 'the Church' in this statement?

It can't be simply because it isn't.

The Bible says something else.

The 'Day of the Lord' is [much] more than [just] judgment.

The 'Wrath of God' may be called 'judgment'.

The two phrases are not identically the same.

If the restrainer are Christians, then the Christians in the tribulation would have power to overcome the antichrist, but that's not what the Bible says. So it's not Christians who are the restrainer.


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Why do you say that 'tribulation Christians' would have power to overcome the antichrist?

"Did you notice that the lawlessness comes after we are removed?"

What part of "is already at work" do you not understand?

Would you please take the time to quote properly so that what you contribute is not part of the quote?

Please show scripture and explain how it supports your statements here.

Gary A

Best to hit the reply when more than one involved

- which works a whole lot better when folks properly quote other folks - otherwise, 'reply' then "comes up empty"...

This is a 'reply' to your post #51.

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This is a 'reply' to your post #51.

I just can't accept the H S can be removed. Been with us since creation but that is my opinion.

You are assuming that the restrainer are Christians. The Bible doesn't say that. For one, the restrainer is singular, not plural as in Christians. You're also ignoring the fact that there will be Christians during the great tribulation. If the Christians were able to restrain the antichrist before his revealing, then how come the Christian during the great tribulation can't overpower him? Why would the Holy Spirit be there for the Christians before the tribulation but not be with the Christians after? They actually NEED the Holy Spirit to be saved in the first place. So yeah, Christians and the Holy Spirit are NOT the restrainer.

My statement: If the restrainer are Christians, then the Christians in the tribulation would have power to overcome the antichrist, but that's not what the Bible says. So it's not Christians who are the restrainer.

Scripture that supports this:

Revelation12:17 Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to wage war against the rest of her offspring—those who keep God’s commands and hold fast their testimony about Jesus.

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Revelation 13:5 The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies and to exercise its authority for forty-two months. 6 It opened its mouth to blaspheme God, and to slander his name and his dwelling place and those who live in heaven. 7 It was given power to wage war against God’s holy people and to conquer them. And it was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation.

So the restrainer are not the Christians. It's not the Holy Spirit either.

This group that the Bible talks about are the same Christians both before and after the antichrist is revealed because there will be no pre-trib rapture. We will still be here when the antichrist is revealed.

The Bible says to endure to the end when this happens, so that's what we should learn to do. We have time to get ready for that.


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