Predestination is misunderstood...

You still haven't provided a single shred of evidence against Calvinism and your desperate attempt to defend Arminianism was also done without any biblical basis.

As I've been trying to explain to you over an over again. IM NOT INTERESTED IN YOUR WISDOM OR YOUR PRIVATE OPPINIONS. Please give me some biblical evidence to support your man centered gospel. I have given you a 100 verses to prove that my theology is biblically sound, but you haven't given me a single verse to defend your faith in the man centered gospel.

I thought you were.


The accounts overlap. Why do you have to fix six yoms into one yom. I don't think you are reading it carefully.

You are proving now that you have very few reading comprehension skills as well. Ideal Calvinist pastor material.

Just please start your own church. Please, don't pretend not to be Calvinist to get a pastorate and then stealthily change the church over to calvinism.

Why don't you do this...

Present to me the Arminianism rationales, and I will show you how I am not Arminian.

If someone is willing to surrender to god's truth will God save them

If someone is willing to surrender to god's truth will God save them

Not just for you who believe.
He died for the sins of the whole world.
The Word does not lie.

The fact that some do not believe has nothing to do with Jesus paying for their sins.

In spite of the truth that their sins all not be an issue (as I showed you)..
And, that He died for the sins of the whole world?

You will not let that get in your way because of what you were taught and accepted as a baby Christian.

Fact: Nobody will go to the Lake of Fire for their sins....

That bothers you because you can not make sense of it.

So? To ease the pain of confusion?
Someone made something up so you will not have to dwell on it...

So be it.

John chapter 10 is about the PARABLE of the SHEEP:
What did Jesus say about the Jews and His PARABLES?

14 Indeed, in their case the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled that says:

“‘“You will indeed hear but never understand,
and you will indeed see but never perceive.”
15 For this people's heart has grown dull,
and with their ears they can barely hear,
and their eyes they have closed,
lest they should see with their eyes
and hear with their ears
and understand with their heart
and turn, and I would heal them.’

It fulfills Isaiah

9 And He said: 'Go, and tell this people: hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not.
10 Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they, seeing with their eyes, and hearing with their ears, and understanding with their heart, return, and be healed.'

Paul explains it this way

“God gave them a spirit of stupor,
eyes that would not see
and ears that would not hear,
down to this very day.”


The Jews could not understand because what God did to them.
It had NOTHING to do with Jesus not dying for them because He did!

What does that have to do with what you quoted ?

I never said I don't believe that the bible teaches that Jesus is fully human. And I never claimed that we are not born spiritually dead with a sin nature. Not sure how you came to these conclusions

According to your interpretation, Jesus promised to save all people but then He had a schizophrenic attack and cast the vast majority of people into hell instead. Can you see why I reject your Arminian gospel.

Chapter two says "... in the YOM (singular)that God created the heavens and the earth." How much time does chapter one say it took God to create the heavens and the earth? SIX YOMIYM (plural).

How do you fit SIX yomiym into ONE yom if the two accounts are using the same time period for yom?

CLEARLY, you aren't reading this carefully, because you don't even know it never says it took only day.

What does that have to do with what you quoted ?

Who wrote the tulip doctrine

Synod of Dordt
held in order to settle controversy in the Dutch churches initiated by the rise of Arminianism, met in the city of Dordrecht as a national assembly of the Dutch Reformed Church, to which were also invited voting representatives from the Reformed churches in eight foreign countries.

The convocation and proceedings of the Synod of Dordt (1618- 1619) may be considered "among the most interesting events of the seventeenth century. The Westminster Assembly was indeed more immediately interesting to British and American Presbyterians, yet the Synod of Dordt had a species of importance peculiar to itself and altogether pre-eminent. It was not merely a meeting of select divines of a single nation, but a convention of the Calvinistic world, to bear testimony against a rising and obtrusive error; to settle a question in which all the Reformed churches of Europe had an immediate and deep interest. The question was whether the opinions of Arminius, which were then agitating so many minds, could be reconciled with the confession of the Belgic churches." (Thomas Scott, The Articles of the Synod of Dort, Sprinkle Publications, 1993 reprint, p. 5.)

This synod convened on November 13, 1618 consisting of 39 pastors and 18 ruling Elders from the Belgic churches, 5 professors from the universities of Holland, 19 delegates from the Reformed churches in Germany and Switzerland, and 5 professors and bishops from Great Britain. France was also invited but did not attend. The Synod was thus constituted of 86 voting members in all. There were 154 formal sessions and many side conferences held during the six months that the Synod met to consider these matters. The last session of the Synod was held on May 9, 1619.

Result
“The Synod gave a very close examination to the ‘five points’ which had been advanced by the Remonstrants, and compared the teaching in them with the testimony of Scripture. Failing to reconcile that teaching with the Word of God, . . . they unanimously rejected them. They felt however, that a mere rejection was not sufficient. It remained for them to set forth the true Calvinistic teaching in relationship to those matters which had been called into question. This they proceeded to do, embodying the Calvinistic position in five chapters which have ever since been known as the five points of Calvinism." (Steel and Thomas, The Five Points of Calvinism, P&R Publishing, 1963, p. 14, quoting Ben A. Warburton, Calvinism, p. 61.)

Synod of Dordt
held in order to settle controversy in the Dutch churches initiated by the rise of Arminianism, met in the city of Dordrecht as a national assembly of the Dutch Reformed Church, to which were also invited voting representatives from the Reformed churches in eight foreign countries.

The convocation and proceedings of the Synod of Dordt (1618- 1619) may be considered "among the most interesting events of the seventeenth century. The Westminster Assembly was indeed more immediately interesting to British and American Presbyterians, yet the Synod of Dordt had a species of importance peculiar to itself and altogether pre-eminent. It was not merely a meeting of select divines of a single nation, but a convention of the Calvinistic world, to bear testimony against a rising and obtrusive error; to settle a question in which all the Reformed churches of Europe had an immediate and deep interest. The question was whether the opinions of Arminius, which were then agitating so many minds, could be reconciled with the confession of the Belgic churches." (Thomas Scott, The Articles of the Synod of Dort, Sprinkle Publications, 1993 reprint, p. 5.)

This synod convened on November 13, 1618 consisting of 39 pastors and 18 ruling Elders from the Belgic churches, 5 professors from the universities of Holland, 19 delegates from the Reformed churches in Germany and Switzerland, and 5 professors and bishops from Great Britain. France was also invited but did not attend. The Synod was thus constituted of 86 voting members in all. There were 154 formal sessions and many side conferences held during the six months that the Synod met to consider these matters. The last session of the Synod was held on May 9, 1619.

Result
“The Synod gave a very close examination to the ‘five points’ which had been advanced by the Remonstrants, and compared the teaching in them with the testimony of Scripture. Failing to reconcile that teaching with the Word of God, . . . they unanimously rejected them. They felt however, that a mere rejection was not sufficient. It remained for them to set forth the true Calvinistic teaching in relationship to those matters which had been called into question. This they proceeded to do, embodying the Calvinistic position in five chapters which have ever since been known as the five points of Calvinism." (Steel and Thomas, The Five Points of Calvinism, P&R Publishing, 1963, p. 14, quoting Ben A. Warburton, Calvinism, p. 61.)

Synod of Dordt
held in order to settle controversy in the Dutch churches initiated by the rise of Arminianism, met in the city of Dordrecht as a national assembly of the Dutch Reformed Church, to which were also invited voting representatives from the Reformed churches in eight foreign countries.

The convocation and proceedings of the Synod of Dordt (1618- 1619) may be considered "among the most interesting events of the seventeenth century. The Westminster Assembly was indeed more immediately interesting to British and American Presbyterians, yet the Synod of Dordt had a species of importance peculiar to itself and altogether pre-eminent. It was not merely a meeting of select divines of a single nation, but a convention of the Calvinistic world, to bear testimony against a rising and obtrusive error; to settle a question in which all the Reformed churches of Europe had an immediate and deep interest. The question was whether the opinions of Arminius, which were then agitating so many minds, could be reconciled with the confession of the Belgic churches." (Thomas Scott, The Articles of the Synod of Dort, Sprinkle Publications, 1993 reprint, p. 5.)

This synod convened on November 13, 1618 consisting of 39 pastors and 18 ruling Elders from the Belgic churches, 5 professors from the universities of Holland, 19 delegates from the Reformed churches in Germany and Switzerland, and 5 professors and bishops from Great Britain. France was also invited but did not attend. The Synod was thus constituted of 86 voting members in all. There were 154 formal sessions and many side conferences held during the six months that the Synod met to consider these matters. The last session of the Synod was held on May 9, 1619.

Result
“The Synod gave a very close examination to the ‘five points’ which had been advanced by the Remonstrants, and compared the teaching in them with the testimony of Scripture. Failing to reconcile that teaching with the Word of God, . . . they unanimously rejected them. They felt however, that a mere rejection was not sufficient. It remained for them to set forth the true Calvinistic teaching in relationship to those matters which had been called into question. This they proceeded to do, embodying the Calvinistic position in five chapters which have ever since been known as the five points of Calvinism." (Steel and Thomas, The Five Points of Calvinism, P&R Publishing, 1963, p. 14, quoting Ben A. Warburton, Calvinism, p. 61.)

I don't take any of the insults personally. The Lord showed perfect humility and perseverance when said " Father forgive them for they know not what they do".
That showed that men hate the truth so much that they are prepared to kill those who proclaim the truth.

We are all born enemies of God, and dead in our sin and trespasses. But we don't know who God has purposed to save, so we can't give up hope on anyone but we can judge them according to their fruits. Most confuse my judgement with Gods final judgement, I have tried to explain that I don't poses the authority to pass the final judgement, that's Gods business.

It's very simple. Arminian doctrine teaches that salvation is a joint effort between God and man. It's where God offers salvation, but man must obey it and abide in faith and never fall away, so it relies on mans ability to choose to obey the gospel and remain faithful until he dies.
Calvin's interpretation says that man is incapable of repenting and obeying the gospel, so God has to work in his heart to make him willing and then Gods gives the man the gift of the Holy Spirit to keep him from falling away.

So they are opposed to each other, both can't be true at the same time.