Some thought about "Jews"

I hope to address a difficult topic, one that has been mentioned several times on CC. The statement has been made that all Jews are going to burn in hell because they reject Jesus Christ. I have a few thoughts on that topic.

First, being a “Jew” is not monolithic. Just like Christianity there are multiple statements of faith within that group, some biblical and some not. The Natsarim, “Jews” who keep the Torah while accepting Messiah Yeshua, was the very first expression of Christianity. They still exist today. Indeed, Messianic Judaism is alive and well and appears to be a growing movement in Israel, as predicted.

Then, there is the issue of natural law. Biblically, a person who has never heard the word (Jesus) but has the Torah written on his heart and obeys, is redeemed. The “Jews” as a people have pursued the truths of YHWH longer and with more diligence than any other people. The Word is deeply etched in their hearts. Are they really denied salvation?

Next, since the modern church has denied the First Testament, the impression exists that Jesus suddenly appears and quickly changes everything. From this view, it looks like He was inactive in history until the nativity. Even a cursory reading of scripture disproves this assumption. Yeshua, the one appearing as the Son of Man, the Angel of The Lord (YHWH), was continually involved with God’s people throughout history, teaching, encouraging, protecting, growing, and sometimes even punishing his people. To think Jesus suddenly changes direction and now forever curses his people is unimaginable.

I also do not accept the assumption that “Jews” deny Yeshua HaMashiach. His teachings have influenced many “Jewish” thoughts. What many “Jews” do struggle with is the concept that The Messiah appears twice in human history. Indeed, they look forward eagerly to his promised coming. Missing His first coming may be an error on their part, but it is not a rejection of YHWH or Yeshua or their teachings.

There is also an issue about who provides salvation to whom. We know God’s chosen people, the Seed of Abraham, brings salvation to the gentiles. There is also the opposite reaction, salvation of the “Jews” comes in the fullness of the gentiles. An eagerly anticipated future event. Even the Second Testament Disciple; the Patron Saint of the western Christian Church; Paul, makes this perfectly clear:

“Again I ask: Did they stumble so as to fall beyond recovery? Not at all! Rather, because of their transgression, salvation has come to the Gentiles to make Israel envious. But if their transgression means riches for the world, and their loss means riches for the Gentiles, how much greater riches will their full inclusion bring!
Romans 11:11-12

This simply isn't true. From Sinai to the destruction of Jerusalem was about 1400-1500 years. Christians have been been pursuing and upholding the truth for nearly 2000 years

The word is Christ. Anyone who denies Christ is denied salvation

The impression might exist in your mind, but it's based on the fallacy that Christians reject the OT. Quite the contrary

He only cursed the disobedient branches. That is witnessed in Deuteronomy 27:14-26 and the prophets

Brought, not bring. Christ came out of the tribe of Judah so salvation was out of the Jews (Judeans). They have nothing to do with it any more

Paul made clear that God did not reject his people Israel, but that only a remnant would be saved due to a partial harding that would last until the fullness of the gentiles entered, at which point Christ will return.

So you believe God's chosen stopped pursuing YHWH at the destruction of the Temple? That position is denied by millions of people practicing some form of Judaism throughout history.

They zealously pursued it their own way, but not according to God's revealed way in Christ

Lots of things exist only in my mind; point taken! However, my viewpoint is based on personal experience (I have scars for proof) and years of reading and study. I will agree some churches still pay lip-service to the First Testament but the God of Judgement and Wrath has been rejected and replaced in most western Christian Churches.

My entire post states the opposite position. That's why I wrote it.

But it's not true. You can't follow Christ by rejecting him

Is your position that if you were a devout Jew and you pursue the Father, Jehovah with all your heart and obey the laws of Torah as best as one can as a human, all 613 , then you’re saved and you go to heaven?

What about those who believe in Christ as savior but also believe in the prosperity gospel?

I don't know enough about that to know if they are truly following Jesus or something else. At least they claim to be, but God will be their judge

Oh, I absolutely agree. My point is the "Jews" (for lack of a better term) have not been condemned to eternal damnation as many Christians believe. They have not been rejected; nor have they in any way rejected God. Again, their salvation cannot come in a future time if they had already done so. They wait in faith and great anticipation for the coming Messiah.

A remnant will be saved is my belief

I think that is true but impossible. If you have the Torah in your heart and pursue God, you are saved by the grace of His Son. This grace is extended to those who believe he is yet to come as well as those who believe he has already done so. All the truth spoken by Jesus was already spoken in the First Testament to God's chosen people.

Yes, just as only a remnant of "Christians" will be saved.

True