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I don't think your correct in your summary, ChristRoseFromTheDead.

Synagogues do not proclaim the Christ rather synagogues proclaim the law of Moses.

Not the kind of place that any Gentile should enter.
You're confusing synagogues now with then. Christianity originally was considered to be just a sect of judaism. Proselytes of the gate (look up that term) who worshiped in synagogues and who believed in Christ received gospel teaching in the synagogues until they were kicked out. Plug proselytes of the gate into ChatGPT
 

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This is obviously using using physical concepts to describe spiritual reality. It's nonsensical that everyone in the world will travel to Jerusalem every 7 days to worship God on Saturdays simply because it would be impossible. Like I said, you guys are carnal
Matthew 13:14–15 – "In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah: 'You will be ever hearing but never understanding; you will be ever seeing but never perceiving. For this people’s heart has become calloused; they hardly hear with their ears, and they have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts and turn, and I would heal them.'"
 

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You're confusing synagogues now with then. Christianity originally was considered to be just a sect of judaism. Proselytes of the gate (look up that term) who worshiped in synagogues and who believed in Christ received gospel teaching in the synagogues until they were kicked out. Plug proselytes of the gate into ChatGPT
Here is what Chat GPT had to say on that subject.

The term "proselytes of the gate" refers to Gentiles who were not fully converted to Judaism but who adhered to certain aspects of Jewish law and worshipped the God of Israel. In the New Testament, this concept overlaps with the idea of "God-fearers," Gentiles who respected and worshipped the God of Israel but did not fully convert to Judaism, such as through circumcision.

Early Gentile Christians and Synagogue Attendance

The New Testament indicates that early Gentile Christians often engaged with Jewish synagogues, especially during the initial phases of the Christian movement:
  1. Paul's Pattern of Ministry:
    • Paul regularly began his ministry in new cities by going to the synagogue to preach to Jews and God-fearing Gentiles. For example:
      • Acts 13:14-16: Paul and Barnabas preached in the synagogue at Pisidian Antioch.
      • Acts 17:1-4: Paul reasoned in the synagogue at Thessalonica, where "some of them were persuaded, along with a great multitude of the God-fearing Greeks."
      • Acts 18:4: Paul "reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath and tried to persuade Jews and Greeks" in Corinth.
  2. These examples suggest that synagogues were key locations for outreach to both Jews and Gentile God-fearers.
  3. God-fearers in the Synagogue:
    • God-fearers were often present in synagogues, as seen with Cornelius, a Gentile centurion described as "a devout man who feared God" (Acts 10:1-2). Cornelius received the gospel through Peter and became one of the first Gentile Christians.
    • Lydia, a "worshiper of God," encountered Paul near a place of prayer, likely associated with Jewish worship (Acts 16:13-14).
Transition to Gentile Assemblies
As the number of Gentile Christians grew and tensions arose between Jewish authorities and the Christian movement, Gentile Christians increasingly formed their own gatherings, distinct from synagogues:
  1. House Churches:
    • Gentile Christians began meeting in homes, as indicated in passages like:
      • Romans 16:5: "Greet the church that is in their house."
      • 1 Corinthians 16:19: "Aquila and Priscilla greet you heartily in the Lord, with the church that is in their house."
    • These house churches were a practical and communal way for Christians, including Gentiles, to gather for worship, teaching, and fellowship.
  2. Conflict and Separation:
    • Early Christians often faced resistance and expulsion from synagogues. For example:
      • Acts 13:50: Paul and Barnabas were driven out of the region after their success in preaching to Gentiles.
      • Acts 18:6-7: After opposition in the synagogue in Corinth, Paul "shook out his garments" and began teaching next door at the house of Titius Justus, a God-fearing Gentile.
  3. Distinct Identity:
    • As the church grew, the New Testament writers emphasized that the church was a new spiritual body made up of Jews and Gentiles (e.g., Ephesians 2:14-16). This theological shift reinforced the idea of separate Christian gatherings.
Conclusion
From the New Testament, we see that early Gentile Christians were initially connected to synagogues, especially as many were God-fearers who already participated in synagogue worship. However, as the Christian movement grew and faced opposition, Gentile believers increasingly formed distinct assemblies, often meeting in homes, to worship and fellowship.
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It appears you may be correct though a God-fearer is not necessarily a Gentile Christian.

Synagogues preach the law not Christianity.
 
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But, there was a Sabbath which was blessed by God at the creation:

[Gen 2:1-3 KJV] 1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. 2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. 3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Do you think Abraham kept the Sabbath even though it isn’t specifically mentioned? Why would he create another day unless it served a purpose?
Yes, the Sabbath that was blessed on the 7th day of creation is the same as Sabbath we (believers) will enter into when we believe the Gospel. That's our "work" in comparison to God's work in creation. Hebrews 4
 

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Was Abraham under the old covenant?
Abraham was not under the Mosaic Covenant.

Abraham had his own covenant the Abrahamic Covenant, shown below.

Genesis 17:7
I will establish My covenant between Me and you and your descendants after you throughout
their generations as an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and to your descendants after you.

Abraham was not in covenant to obey the book of the law.

The Mosaic covenant was based on the book of the law.
 

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Master, which is the great commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. Matthew 22:36-40
Jesus quoted Deut:
[Deu 6:5 KJV] 5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
and Lev.
[Lev 19:18 KJV] 18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I [am] the LORD.
 

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But, there was a Sabbath which was blessed by God at the creation:

[Gen 2:1-3 KJV] 1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. 2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. 3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Do you think Abraham kept the Sabbath even though it isn’t specifically mentioned? Why would he create another day unless it served a purpose?
The book of the law, the covenant based on the book of the law, contained the legislation.

The words that God spoke to Moses became the literal law and had penalties.

Abraham did not have the book of the law nor did Abraham have the penalties.

Before Exodus there is nothing in Genesis regarding a set of ten commandments.

Before Exodus even if someone transgressed a Sabbath day there was not a death penalty.

Some folk love to speculate and generate theology and we are good at that.
 

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This is about the Gospel. Not the law of "work" as in Sinai.

The two are mutually exclusive. Gospel vs Law(works).
Abraham was alive before the old covenant existed.

[Gen 17:7 KJV] 7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.
 

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Jesus quoted Deut:
[Deu 6:5 KJV] 5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
and Lev.
[Lev 19:18 KJV] 18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I [am] the LORD.
Those two commandments cannot grant salvation.
 

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Abraham was alive before the old covenant existed.

[Gen 17:7 KJV] 7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.
To abide in the Abrahamic covenant you must be circumcised and be a literal descendant
of Abraham.
 
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Abraham was alive before the old covenant existed.

[Gen 17:7 KJV] 7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.
The covenant with Abraham and His Seed was established in Calvary with blood of Christ. But was proclaim since the beginning through the Gospel.

The old covenant initiate and established in Sinai through Moses
 

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Indeed, green G, but does their endurance come from God?!
I'm not one to say that the majority is always right. It's not true for a start. However, Seventh Day Adventists and their ilk have been pushing their Saturday sabbath and legalistic interpretation since the denomination started.

It was promoted by E.G. White, who saw a vision of the commandment highlighted, supposedly by God. The problem is that Christ introduced the New Covenant in His precious blood, where the Law and commandments have been superseded by the Law of the Spirit of Life in Him.

It is wrong for Christians to sow discord. I don't argue with an Anglican baby sprinkler. He has some valid arguments to support his theology. I don't agree, but I'd rather keep quiet than ruin fellowship. He's friendlier than any other pastor I've met in my area. He does not try to justify his baby sprinkling to me either.

Too many Christians fight over non-issues. KJV only. OSAS, the rapture, end times, who the antichrist is, the shape of the globe, various conspiracies etc. Meanwhile, 170,000 people die each day, many going to to hell, some wondering why Christians are so divided.

I have some time to put my point of view, which I can justify from God's word. I do not expect to change the mind of those who are pushing their particular barrow. I do hope to put a Biblical counter view for the sake of those who might be persuaded by the barrow pushers.
 

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The covenant with Abraham and His Seed was established in Calvary with blood of Christ. But was proclaim since the beginning through the Gospel.

The old covenant initiate and established in Sinai through Moses
And was replaced by Jesus the night that He was betrayed.