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:) Hi Omegatime, I was just coming on here to respond to your OP question when I noticed this post of yours ^ (and I'm detecting a slight difference from your original one). Here, your question doesn't make full sense, to me. Could you perhaps *define* how you are using the word ^ (I put in...

Correct! (y) What many folks do not realize, is that Paul (in these two epistles) references our Rapture (or its effects, etc) something like 8-9 TIMES (not merely in the ONE verse that most acknowledge to be referring to it: 1Th4:17! ['caught-up']). Paul, in these two epistles, is covering...

The kjv unfortunately "leaves off" the definite article ('the') that is actually in the text (with this word); The Greek has a word for "to fall"... the Greek word "pipto" (like one can see in Hebrews 6:6); but the word under present discussion is not that word; This word also does not...

...of "the beginning of birth PANGS [PLURAL]," which I've explained ["BoBPs"="SEALS"]). The reason (or one) MANY do not "see" PRE-TRIB RAPTURE in Paul's words (2Th2 and 1Th) IS BECAUSE they improperly DEFINE "the Day of the Lord" AS STARTING / ARRIVING *AT* "Christ's SECOND COMING [Rev19],"...

I do see them as fairly "lock-step"... They RUN concurrently, as in, WE GO UP and immediately "the day of the Lord" (earthly time period of Judgments) unfolds upon the earth, commencing with "the man of sin be revealed" (i.e. Seal #1)... Hence the reason for the "SNATCH [G726]"! and the wording...

...on the white horse WITH A "BOW" ['bow' often meaning 'DECEPTION']... which corresponds with 2Th2:9-10a[,3b,6,8a]... which corresponds with Dan11:36a... which corresponds with Dan9:27a[,26b]... etc... ALL OF THESE being at the STARTING-POINT of the "7 year period" [and all FOLLOWING "our...

Agree with your post. Right! (y) Amos 5:18 - Berean Standard Bible Woe to you who long for the Day of the LORD! What will the Day of the LORD be for you? It will be darkness and not light. King James Bible Woe unto you that desire the day of the LORD! to what end is it for you? the day of...

...people take. Bottom line is, these first 2 verses ALONE are SUFFICIENT to discern the proper sequence between two distinct things (v.1's Rapture... and v.2's "false claim" about the day of the Lord [TRIB-period judgments] purportedly being already present, already unfolding upon the...

"Pre-trib Rapture" is not the position saying our Rapture takes place before the "GREAT tribulation" (before the "SECOND HALF" of the 7 yr period); that's "MID-tribbers" who believe that. It seems by your response that perhaps you didn't read past my first sentence. Sorry to hear it...

The origin of the phrase / notion of "SECRET rapture" [was not from Darby] started with Edward Irving (an "Historicist," not a PRE-tribber), and one of his followers being Margaret MacDonald (the gal who had supposed "visions"... but her "visions" described a "POST-trib Rapture," just as the one...

Amen, brother. All of the biblically-defined *signs* take place FOLLOWING "our Rapture"... ... and LEAD UP TO (pointing toward) His Second Coming TO THE EARTH time-slot (Rev19). (Not to "our Rapture".) ["the beginning of birth PANGS"="the SEALS" of Rev6... BOTH CONTEXTS of which take...

...TO THE MEETING OF THE LORD *IN THE AIR* (I've shown the CONTRAST between Matt24:29-31 / Isaiah 27:9,12-13 (one Subject) TO THAT OF "our Rapture" passages (a DIFFERENT Subject), and they are IN EVERY WAY described DISTINCTLY [NOT the SAME]--A different group, a different PLACE /...

...to "the DEAD *in Christ*" (those who "SLEEP through Jesus"--that is, they've DIED prior to the time being referenced in this passage--our Rapture time-slot) ... referring to the "we which are ALIVE and remain unto" members of the SAME Church which is His body as above (those members *in...

...*FLEE*] to the mountains" corresponding with Rev12:6,14 (not who are "passively CAUGHT-UP / SNATCHED [by Another]" [i.e. "our Rapture [IN THE AIR]"]). Things that are DIFFERENT are NOT the SAME. We are not simply to ignore all these distinctions, blurring things together into one...

...from when all other saints will be.) IOW, there is MORE to the story than what you are choosing to focus in on, in Scripture. Our [my] viewpoint ("pre-trib Rapture") has explanation for all of these, whereas I see no explanation, on your part, regarding these... but just glossing over them.

The "GREAT tribulation" is ONLY the LATTER HALF of the 7-year period; so already you have misrepresented the "pre-trib Rapture" doctrine, in just your first sentence. :) What you are describing here ^ is NOT "pre-trib Rapture" doctrine, but the "MID-trib Rapture" stance which believes our...

...that's just referring to folks existing during the 7-yr Trib (who come to faith in Christ IN / DURING / WITHIN the Trib yrs... FOLLOWING "our Rapture"). This is also WHY we read in Rev20:7-8 (context: END of MK age) "the number of whom is as the sand of the sea" and the words stating that...

No, that's ^ NOT the "pre-trib" rapture position on this text. This is in the CONTEXT of His Second Coming to the earth, and "taken" is NOT a reference to "our Rapture". The text is comparing those who were "taken" in the flood-judgment to those who (at His Second Coming to the earth...

At the time of "our Rapture," BOTH "the DEAD in Christ" (now bodily-resurrected) AND the "we which are ALIVE and remain unto" will be "caught-up TOGETHER"... that is, "caught-up / snatched" at the same time (that's what "caught-up / snatched TOGETHER WITH them" means). NOT that the "we which are...

But notice... @PennEd did NOT list that passage in Matthew 24 as being "pre-trib rapture" (because "rapture" is NOT its CONTEXT. So, we pre-tribbers are NOT calling this Matt24 passage a proof for "pre-trib Rapture" because Jesus' Subject here in this passage is not covering "Rapture" but His...