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    Why I now believe that salvation can be lost.

    So the difference is, you divide the word written to you from Matthew onwards until revelations. That is one way of dividing. another way is to start at romans and end at Philemon. That is how I do it.
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    Why I now believe that salvation can be lost.

    But I am sure you agree no one is to build an ark now, despite the instruction given to Noah in Genesis correct? So you are also recognizing that not all of the Bible are written TO us, even though they were written FOR us.
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    Why I now believe that salvation can be lost.

    I said FOR our learning, but not instructions written to us. Noah being commanded to build an ark, is it written TO you?
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    Why I now believe that salvation can be lost.

    I follow dispensationalism so I believe that we are in the grace dispensation today, the church age, where Romans to Philemon is church doctrine written to us. The rest of the book are for our learning.
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    Why I now believe that salvation can be lost.

    Oh I won't worry about 1 John now but during the Tribulation, yes, you will need to believe in Jesus and keep the commandments, the chief one is to reject the mark of the beast. (Rev 14:12) That is where 1 John would come to play. :). I have this discussion thread over here that you may be...
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    Why I now believe that salvation can be lost.

    So in your view, there is no difference between the 2 terms?
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    Why I now believe that salvation can be lost.

    I believe the divine exchange at the cross means when we accept that free gift, God sees us, he sees Jesus, we are "in Christ". Since Jesus knew no sin, did no sin, and in him there is no sin, that is how God also sees us. That to me is being justified.
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    Why I now believe that salvation can be lost.

    So in your opinion, do you think there is a difference between righteousness and justification? Do they mean the same thing? I was taught that the latter means "as if you have never sinned."
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    Why I now believe that salvation can be lost.

    I have recently heard one way to reconcile James with Paul, is that James made a distinction between righteousness and justification. From this perspective, Abraham was declared righteous when he believed that God will make him a father of many. But he was only justified after he was willing to...
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    Why I now believe that salvation can be lost.

    So the rest of my Jews in the Passover night example illustrate how, depending on which salvation doctrine you have, in the end, both first born are still saved. But one family enjoyed the night, the other didn't.
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    Why I now believe that salvation can be lost.

    Grace is from God while Faith is from us. If you prefer, I can put grace thru faith alone or grace thru faith and works. 🤗
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    Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?

    Interesting point about David. From my exchange with Crossnote in this forum, I realized one difference between how readers differ in their interpretion what Paul quoted about King David in Romans 4 6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth...
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    Why I now believe that salvation can be lost.

    I can imagine two types of Jews on the Passover night in Egypt. Some put their trust in the lamb blood, and just relax and enjoy the night, confident that it is sufficient. Other Jews are more paranoid and try to help the blood with their works, praying fasting singing non stop to God. In the...
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    Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?

    I understand why he used the term gaslighted. I think in this forum, and I am definitely not the first to notice this, there is a group of participants who share very similar doctrinal views. They tend to gang up against anyone who offers a different perspective thru using negative words like...
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    Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?

    I have already stated the name of the fallacy. In the age of google, its so easy to search for the meaning of "denying the antecedent".
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    Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?

    I see, okay. I take it as you are saying it is logical that he will think like that since he has not heard of modus tollens. Thanks. I usually don't use humor on Internet debate with people that I don't know. Effective humor needs one to listen to the tone of the words.
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    Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?

    I never said anything negative about you as far as I know. I only take what you said, disagree in those points, state my case, and move on. As for you, you can re-read this paragraph of yours again You are implying many negative things about your opponent in this paragraph alone. You can...
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    Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?

    Actually once you debate long enough on the Internet, you will realize that people very rarely change their minds about issues. To me, once I can understand the thinking behind why one would believe the things he do, I am contented. :) There is no need to be so agitated and start criticizing...
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    Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?

    Since you already stated you never heard of modus tollens, this debate has already concluded. Thanks for clarifying.
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    Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?

    You are giving the wrong counter example. You are committing the fallacy of denying the antecedent. Its no wonder you never heard of modus tollens.