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Not according to your definition. Maybe there is a better way to look at this. Did everyone who followed Christ become a homeless person?

Oh, good. I was afraid you might claim the Ten Commandments were the commandments of Jesus.

Do His commands? Like these? Matthew 10:8 Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse those who have leprosy, drive out demons. Freely you have received; freely give.

There it is. Redefining "faith" to mean works. (while quoting Eph.2:8) Ephesians 2:8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—

This was the sentence from your original post that put me off in the wrong direction. "I agree and it's (salvation) not a matter of grabbing a list of commandments and forcing yourself in fear to uphold them." I had just challenged someone about the scripture they had quoted being a reference...

Apology accepted.

That's pretty heavy-handed. What became of the transformed person you were glowing about earlier? Now you want an apology, or I'm a liar? (maybe you should apologize instead) Calling me out? Seriously? Get over yourself. Like you said, "Let's go no further." Here's what I actually said...

Unless I misunderstood, you seem to be promoting the works of the law. Even calling those who don't agree "works-aphobics".

Galatians 4:28-31 Now you, brothers and sisters, like Isaac, are children of promise. 29 At that time the son born according to the flesh persecuted the son born by the power of the Spirit. It is the same now. 30 But what does Scripture say? “Get rid of the slave woman and her son, for the...

Galatians 4:21 Tell me, you who want to be under the law, are you not aware of what the law says?

I think it says what it means and it means what it says. Before... until... Now... Romans 7:6 But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code. Galatians 3:23-25 Before the...

Nope. Ultimately only one truth. (Jesus Christ) I agree that we do not die (possessing eternal life in the here and now) And that our is covered by the Atonement of Jesus Christ. The Apostle Paul identified three different kinds of law in the scripture below. Obviously there are others...

It sounds like you are combing some references there. I see a difference between "God's law" and "the law". "God's law" is the law of human conscience that everyone has. "The law" is the law that God gave to the Israelites alone through Moses. Look at what the Apostle Paul says here. How...

Right. Galatians 5:18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

What do you make of this? Romans 7:6 But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code. Galatians 3:23-25 Before the coming of this faith, we were held in custody under the...

If you are claiming that the phrase "his commandments" refers to the Ten Commandments, I disagree. The context does not support such an assertion. It also looks like you revised the words of the Bible to serve your own personal agenda. Why is "Him" and "His" capitalized? Isn't that a misquote?

That's another great example. Both appear to be in conflict with the vicarious atonement.

I agree, but this raises an interesting point, or question. That passage had always bothered me, because it sounds as if a judgment of works was being made for all humankind. I know that's not the way it is supposed to work. And I agree with your response to the question about it. But...

Agreed. Once you add any sort of "requirements" to salvation you enter the danger zone. If we are saved based on the work of Christ in our vicarious atonement, that can be measured. How do you measure anything beyond that? Did you do enough? (How much is enough?) You did your best...

These are some great points. Yes, our salvation is indeed irrevocable. We cannot undo, by an act of our own will, what ONLY God could do in the first place. Ephesians 2:4-7 But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, 5 made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in...