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Sorry, let me try a different approach. My point is baptism is mentioned 4 times in 1 Cor. When the Corinthians read the letter from Paul, they understand baptism as water baptism. In ch. 1 the baptism mentioned is their own water baptism. In ch. 10 the baptism is the Israelites passing...

I'm sorry but this sounds contradictory. In the end. Isn't someone grafted into the tree saved? If they can be cut off, then that is not OSAS. I'm sorry but words are how information is communicated. I do not see any of what you describe in the words Paul is telling us. if thou continue...

The bible never tells us baptism is symbolic. It actually accomplishes something. Everyone recorded conversion God has given us the converts were water baptized. From the first conversion to the very last one they were water baptized. Everyone converted was water baptized. Can you show...

Paul is warning the Corinthians by drawing a parallel with the Israelites. They were water baptized just as the Israelites were. They were spiritually feed just as the Israelites were. They are following Christ just as the Israelites did. 5 But with many of them God was not well pleased...

I see passages that tell us baptism is how we die with Christ, Rom. 6. It's how we are circumcised, Col.2. How our sins are washed away, Acts 22 and so on but I'm not aware of any that tells us it's to edify. In the prior verse Peter uses those saved by water in the ark as the symbol of how...

Why would Paul warn the wild branches, that God grafted in, that they could be cut off if they do not continue in His kindness? Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God's kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness. Otherwise you...

Both 1 Cor. 12:13 and Eph 4:5 are water baptism. In 1 Corinthians, baptism is mentioned 4 times. The first is the Corinthians own baptism. The second is Paul drawing a parallel to the Corinthians and Israelites by both of them being water baptized. The last reference in ch. 15 is of people...

If water baptism is a depiction of the true baptism, what purpose does it serve? I hear it's an outward showing of an inward change but the bible never tells us anything close to that. Of course God gave the spiritual gifts, but what does the bible tell us about how they are given. Now...

I agree God grafts them in just like we see those added on Pentecost. Help me to understand your position. You have said that God chooses who is saved and who is not. That the chosen have their faith given to them by God. I don't understand why God would graft in people who He is going to...

People misunderstand 1 Cor. 12:13. Were the Corinthians water baptized when they were converted? When they read Paul's letter and see baptism are they thinking water or "spiritual baptism" Is Paul talking about water or "spiritual baptism" here: I Cor. 1:13 Is Christ divided? Was Paul...

I appreciate the apology, thank you. I was not upset and so glad you continued our discussion. I don't like upsetting people and I do my best to phrase things hoping I won't. It's gonna happen when we have zeal and passion for the truth. I've been short with others in the past and I'm not...

24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: Who grafted the wild branches into the good olive tree?

I've been chewing on this. I can't wrap my head around God picking and choosing who is saved and who goes to hell. I was thinking about this passage and can't possibly see how it is not the individual who chooses to serve God or not. Could you tell me how you understand this passage/analogy...

Thanks for your time and patience, I appreciate it. Our discussion has been challenging and enjoyable. Sorry if I gave you the impression it was necessary for Jesus to be baptized. What I was suggesting is Jesus is our example and He did not begin His ministry until after He was baptized...

May I suggest God did give the HS to select people before Jesus's sacrifice. After His sacrifice the giving of the HS for those who believe was prophesied and promised and was poured out at Pentecost. But this is what was uttered through the prophet Joel: 17 “‘And in the last days it shall be...

I appreciate your time as well.

All true. What I'm suggesting is that we are not saved by our works, one because the bible tells us and two because there is no work or amount of works we can ever do to save ourselves. The price is more than we can pay. As you have pointed out, we are only saved by the blood of Jesus and...

I'm sorry but I only know what the bible tells me. Words are how information is conveyed. I consider the context, the words used and how they are used. When you say baptism is an ordinance for those who are saved, that is not the order Jesus puts them in. He said "Whoever believes and is...

Sorry if I offended. I'm just trying to help.

I don't disagree the focus was to teach. However, that was not the only instructions. What weight does the baptizing have? Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.