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I like your willingness to look at details. That's not EXACTLY agreeing with the suggestion that Wansvic has a wrong understanding about speaking in tongues, but I get (and appreciate) your idea that "alluding" is not so far from "assuming something that isn't there". Let me answer your...

I should have included the reference of John 20:22 AND 23 so it can be seen that it is part of a larger statement of need for obedience. John 20:22-23 KJV And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost: Whose soever sins ye remit, they are...

The bible scholars are wrong. There are no exceptions. John 20:22 is a COMMANDMENT which is continued in the next verse as part of the "Great Commission" (people usually think of the Matt 28:18-20 account). I put it in quotes because God didn't call it that... but that's what man calls it...

A word of advice for the last half of the bigger paragraph... Speak only of the doctrine you wish to correct, without suggesting the entire church grouping holds that particular doctrine. "if God does not want to say anything, He won't" <-- spot on. Correct and often overlooked. In TRUE...

First I want to say "Thank you" because you answered kindly to someone proposing a doctrine different than your own. --- I'll answer the last thing first about water baptism and the Day of Pentecost. And I'll answer vulnerably in that I'm knowingly including an assumption. I assume that verses...

You copy/pasted that from somewhere else, didn't you? :) It adds extra blank lines when you do that. Try deleting them all in your normal document before copy/pasting here. Then undo-undo-undo-undo to get them all back if you want to keep your original document for later. ---- I'm going...

Again you missed the point. Those charismatic (tongues-speaking) Roman Catholic Church members HAVE (are baptized with) the Holy Ghost... but who is saying they are FILLED with the Holy Ghost? (Not me). Until you can see that distinction, you don't see what this thread is about. Love in...

God is going to break more than just the pattern/establishment. He's going to break the nations. "And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: [27] And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be...

If you think I was teaching that someone FILLED with the Holy Spirit can "easily spread false teachings", you pretty much missed the point entirely as to what being "FILLED with the Holy Spirit" means. Someone "FILLED, not just indwelt by, the Holy Spirit" has no room in them for false...

Praise God you are here. Your explanations of how God ministering to one blesses the whole'was very well said. I've only browsed some of this page and I intend to read more. I also liked your explanation of how one individual may ask another to pray for or with them and if they get anything...

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Receiving the Holy Ghost (which comes with the evidence of speaking in tongues because every believer needs the ability to pray in the spirit and "If I pray in an unknown tongue, my Spirit prayeth" according to scripture.) is not something that started, is controlled by, or is occurring today...

Starting to speak in tongues (for the first time) is almost synonymous with both "being baptized with the Holy Ghost" and "receiving the Holy Ghost". That's why in Acts 10:45-46 Those believing Jews that came with Peter were astonished... Because when they heard some Gentiles start speaking in...

My comment didn't require a clarification (yet) of what the person believes "baptism of/with the Holy Ghost" really is. They either believe it is a necessity of salvation, or they believe it is not. Clarification of what it is could be made later. Love in Jesus, Kelby

I guess I'll put this in a functional scenario as well, to show the risk. Wolves in pastors' clothing will gladly proclaim "You're SAVED in the name of Jesus!" when you've done what THEY told you is necessary, which is NOT the same as "when you have all that you NEED". What do you think...

1. Haven't heard of it. 2. I don't know what would constitute a "perfect storm". Love in Jesus, Kelby

This isn't a slam, so please don't take it as one, but if it wasn't for the first sentence of this quote, I would have thought you to believe "speaking in tongues" as unnecessary. (perhaps I've just not read your posts thoroughly enough) This may be a bold way to ask it because of the 'can of...

There's a difference between "claiming to be saved" and "having all that you NEED". If you don't "have all that you need", you actually put yourself at great risk by "claiming to be saved". Love in Jesus, Kelby

If you are stating that a person cannot claim to be New testament "Saved" before they receive the baptism of the Holy Ghost, I might agree. Love in Jesus, Kelby

Each of the 4 gospels, at the beginning of the ministry of John (because John's ministry with baptism started BEFORE Jesus earthly ministry days of gathering disciples, etc, began... which BTW also contained the same water baptism John was sent with) there was a statement made by John. In...