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  1. K

    You need both water baptism and the Holy Ghost/Holy Spirit.

    Unless I felt God was leading me to say something for the whole church (a.k.a to be interpreted for the benefit of the group) I only pray at a volume and in a way that is between me and God per 1 Cor. 14:28. I/we do pray in the spirit, and we pray in the understanding also. I /we do sing in...
  2. K

    You need both water baptism and the Holy Ghost/Holy Spirit.

    If you'll notice, I numbered your concerns for ease of answering. I hope that's ok. And I'll answer each briefly. More can be said, or asked. If it were not partially under the control of the user, there would be no instructions on HOW to use 'unknown' tongues. When someone is speaking in...
  3. K

    You need both water baptism and the Holy Ghost/Holy Spirit.

    Thanks for again answering openly. I was a Baptist, oddly enough, before being baptized in Jesus name for the remission of sins and receiving the Holy Ghost with speaking in tongues. I found it odd that "Baptist" doctrine was that baptism was optional. But that wasn't why I left. They'd...
  4. K

    You need both water baptism and the Holy Ghost/Holy Spirit.

    Your post has the feel of sincerity. And I'll answer likewise. So many people claim to have the Holy Ghost and many speak of things they saw or heard or felt. And yet many don't actually have the Holy Ghost nor know how to tell IF they have the Holy Ghost. My question to you would be "Did...
  5. K

    You need both water baptism and the Holy Ghost/Holy Spirit.

    <-- AFK for a few hours, probably. But feel free to reply. I'll review when I return. Thanks. Love in Jesus, Kelby
  6. K

    You need both water baptism and the Holy Ghost/Holy Spirit.

    I accept and believe that you are not trying to pick a fight. (are speaking honestly). But your initial interpretations of what John was baptizing for are NOT in alignment with what Mark 1:4 and Luke 3:3 are clearly stating John's baptism was for. That's why I kept hounding the point. HOW...
  7. K

    You need both water baptism and the Holy Ghost/Holy Spirit.

    People who don't believe a verse usually have an aversion to posting it. (for your future knowledge and current consideration). I wanted to see how strong your aversion really was. Mark 1:4 KJV John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins...
  8. K

    You need both water baptism and the Holy Ghost/Holy Spirit.

    FYI, the reason John the baptist was the greatest prophet of those born of women was that he was indeed the FIRST person to be given the authority to baptize for THE REMISSION of sins (Mark 1:4, Luke 3:3). No prophet before him had been given that much authority. Not David, not Moses. John...
  9. K

    You need both water baptism and the Holy Ghost/Holy Spirit.

    I do realize that you have not posted Mark 1:4 for us to see what it actually says. And Yes, John DID have authority to do what he was doing because God himself sent John to do it. The fact that it is hard for us to believe/receive doensn't make it any less true. Love in Jesus, Kelby
  10. K

    You need both water baptism and the Holy Ghost/Holy Spirit.

    Jesus was making this point clear when He RE-stated what John said (Acts 1:5) just before speaking in tongues was poured out on ALL 120-ish believers who were there on the day of Pentecost. If it were only for some, he wouldn't have given it to ALL. "they were ALL filled with the Holy Ghost...
  11. K

    You need both water baptism and the Holy Ghost/Holy Spirit.

    Those also happen to be the ONLY four examples given where God records what is happening AS people are receiving the Holy Ghost. So they are the four that I use to test my doctrines/beliefs. Speaking in tongues (as you actually point out) is what fits all occasions. and they ALL received it...
  12. K

    You need both water baptism and the Holy Ghost/Holy Spirit.

    That's just another example of what Peter said in regards to feeding the widows. (Acts 6:1,2) Did the widows NEED to eat? (Yes) Did Peter NEED to give them food? (No. Others could do that part while he did his own) @Nehemiah6 Love in Jesus, Kelby
  13. K

    You need both water baptism and the Holy Ghost/Holy Spirit.

    2 things: Baptism is for remission of sins (per Mark 1:4, Luke 3:3, Acts 2:38). If you don't think that's necessary, that's up to you regarding your own salvation. It seems necessary to me. :) If Paul was SENT to baptize, he would be required to baptize those God sent him to. As it stands...
  14. K

    You need both water baptism and the Holy Ghost/Holy Spirit.

    Thanks for your replies. I appreciate it when you grace me with your company. :) (that's honest, not snarky) I think you have a circular argument to sort out. Do we get born again because (after) we believe? Or do we believe because (after) we are born again? Which one comes first? Which...
  15. K

    You need both water baptism and the Holy Ghost/Holy Spirit.

    That's what you (and probably your church doctrine) says. But what does Mark 1:4 say John was baptizing for? Go ahead and post the verse for us, please, so we can see what it really says. Love in Jesus, Kelby
  16. K

    You need both water baptism and the Holy Ghost/Holy Spirit.

    Acts 2:38,39 Acts 2:4 (they ALL were filled with the Holy Ghost and began to speak with other tongues), Acts 10:44-46 (they all started speaking in tongues), Acts 19:6-7 (they all got it). Acts 8:12-17 (because the holy ghost comes at a specific moment not tied to moment of belief OR baptism...
  17. K

    You need both water baptism and the Holy Ghost/Holy Spirit.

    Why do you say that John's baptism is unrelated to the cross of Christ? For John to baptize "for the remission of sins" (which is what Mark 1:4 and Luke 3:4 clearly state it was for) there had to be a blood sacrifice. (no remission without the shedding of blood). The sins were washed away...
  18. K

    You need both water baptism and the Holy Ghost/Holy Spirit.

    Jesus (as far as I understand) was talking about the baptism of death in that passage. Jesus was going to go down into death and come back up again (pass through death) on his way to "rest". I think he was telling them they, too, would suffer death on their path to "rest" in God. Love in...
  19. K

    You need both water baptism and the Holy Ghost/Holy Spirit.

    There are plenty of people who want nothing to do with speaking in tongues OR baptism FOR REMISSION of sins. If you don't want either, don't receive them. You just won't stand before God and say you weren't told, or that they weren't available to you. Love in Jesus, Kelby
  20. K

    You need both water baptism and the Holy Ghost/Holy Spirit.

    What does Mark 1:4 say baptism is for? Love in Jesus, Kelby