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No context needed. If they adhered to the Law of Sinai they would not have been hungry or needed to gather grain from the fields. Seems like such an oversight for the Lord of the Sabbath, no? But it wasn't. Jesus knew His Father and knew, just like David knew, that a Father always provides for...

It was the letter vs the spirit of the law. You were to store up enough food BEFORE the sabbath. This is what the Lord has said: ‘Tomorrow is a Sabbath rest, a holy Sabbath to the Lord. Bake what you will bake today, and boil what you will boil; and lay up for yourselves all that remains, to...

Again with the martyrdom? Please... Did Peter go his own way after Paul corrected him publicly to his face? No. Peter repented.

But they worked to get the grain. A covenant requires a law: the law is how the covenant is administered. He never bent the rules, sure. The Sinai Law, administered by the Levites, was a shadow of the covenant between God and God. "For when God made a promise to Abraham, because He could...

The priests of Levi administered the Law of Sinai. You cannot have two administrations of priests at the same time. That would mean God is double-minded. He is pure. It was the Levitical priests that oversaw adherence to the legal sabbath given at Sinai. They carried this responsibility into the...

Good. Then live by this: "Therefore, if perfection were through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need was there that another priest should rise according to the order of Melchizedek, and not be called according to the order of Aaron? 12 For the...

It's quoted in Hebrews above. In the same chapter and the same passage. You refuse to admit they are connected.

The law was a shadow of the realty to come: "For the law, having a shadow of the good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with these same sacrifices, which they offer continually year by year, make those who approach perfect." So, you cannot say the Sabbath of God...

Of course. They were still under the law of Sinai. The law WAS for one day. The Sabbath rest of God is for "today", whenever you hear His voice.

No. There is only the sabbath as defined by the Law at Sinai and the Sabbath rest of God. The Son can only do what His Father does. Christ makes the original rest available to all who are in Him. This is the original Sabbath. It existed before the Legal sabbath that was merely a shadow of...

It is talking about entering the rest of God! Now you're just being obtuse. Look, I've given you direction on how to end this nonsense of Judaism in your life. Follow it and you'll be changed. May God help you.

Are you serious? Hebrews literally connects "today" with the Sabbath of God. Why? The people DID NOT hear God's voice so He gave them a Law to rest one day out of 7! It's literally right there! What was the other option: to obey God, come into His presence, and become the sons of God. But...

I explained that later, but of course you missed it. Even so, I'm writing to people who believe in the Lord. It reads "although the works were finished from the foundation of the world." And then it goes on to say: The Sabbath rest is for any day called "today". Since therefore it remains...

Oh please. "I'm persecuted because people attack my teachings". No, they attack your teachings because you are wrong. Just like the council at Jerusalem who rejected the false teachings of the Judaizers and as Jesus attacked the teachings of the Sanhedrin and Pharisees. You get no sympathy for...

Even the devil can quote scripture as you did above: Then the devil took Him up into the holy city, set Him on the pinnacle of the temple, 6 and said to Him, “If You are the Son of God, throw Yourself down. For it is written: ‘He shall give His angels charge over you,’ and, ‘In their hands...

Ah, great age! They are sharper than we give them credit, typically. Some, even at that age, will be able to understand the deeper things of God. One thing that stands out to me in that passage is that Jesus represented a greater economy than the natural one: He could raise the dead! This...

What's the age range of the group?

I've re-baptized believers because they were initially dunked for denominational membership. After learning that it has nothing to do with membership they wanted to be baptized into Christ's death. I also insisted that believing fathers baptize their own believing children.

Are you new here, kid? :cool:

Simply, like Jesus, we learn obedience by the things we suffer. This requires experience, using what we have been given righteously. This is why leadership in the church (as seen in scripture) tends to be older people: they have experience walking with the Lord as evidenced by their conduct and...