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No. They were liars: from the beginning and with the Lord.

The collective group of believers may he referred to as the church, the Body, and the Bride depending upon usage. But I’m fairly certain you’re not hearing what I’m saying anyway…

That’s the irony. The Bible actually says the gifts are needed until the whole Body is matured to the full stature of Christ.

Scripture actually says prophets and other gifts are given for the edification of the Body until the Body comes to the full measure of maturity. “And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers, 12 for the equipping of the saints for the...

The goal of all the gifts is a visible, mature son in the earth (as He is in heaven). The grace of the empowerments are to be disseminated to the whole body: the members edify (build up) the body in this way. Men often use their gifts to validate their own ministries. The Lord, however, uses His...

Paul wrote to the Corinthians: 8 Love never fails. But whether there are prophecies, they will fail; whether there are tongues, they will cease; whether there is knowledge, it will vanish away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part. 10 But when that which is perfect has come, then that...

All endowments of power will cease as they are given in partial form. When the complete comes there will be no need of, or tolerance for, the partial.

That's what it says but that's not what it means. "I have this trophy for painting." "Oh, so you paint with the trophy?" [incredulous staring] :coffee:

I understand what you're saying. But a gift already works that way. If we are given an endowment of power from One who has all power then it is actually ours to have and use. In a world controlled by an enemy, endowments of power are necessary. However, we are never the plenary source of that...

Your post prompted a question in me "What is greater: being a son of God or being a prophet?" :cool: The answer is, of course, being a son of God. The gifts will cease but our place in Him is eternal and will never cease. When we are all in the presence of the Lord no one needs to tell us...

(y) All portions of the gospel message. The gospel, even for its spiritual nature, is most practical. This is true in all generations of men. Eternal realities are superlative to the temporal.

12 “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do he will do also; and greater works than these he will do, because I go to My Father. 13 And whatever you ask in My name, that I will do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If you ask anything in My name...

Correct. There are some brothers I will not drink around because of their immaturity. I also don't discuss deeper spiritual things with them, either, for the same reason. The love for one another, in the Spirit, guides our choices.

Indeed. Jesus died as a man. He was raised and appeared as the Christ.

I agree. I used to believe, or rather, I was taught that God the Father rejected the Son because He became sin for us. This was a teaching made popular from the Evangelical church leadership. I didn't give it much thought until I was older and had walked with the Lord for some time. Jesus was...

As a shadow of things to come, Ezekiel 7 begins like this: "Moreover the word of the Lord came to me, saying, “And you, son of man, thus says the Lord God to the land of Israel: ‘An end! The end has come upon the four corners of the land." Note that this is written to God's people: "..the...

Same. I would love to have an account of Paul's 13+ years of training before being sent, with Barnabas, as an apostle. I imagine many of the lessons were difficult for Paul at first. :D

This is Paul to the Corinthians: "For though I am free from all men, I have made myself a servant to all, that I might win the more; 20 and to the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might win Jews; to those who are under the law, as under the law, that I might win those who are under the law; 21...

Paul wrote to Timothy: "Alexander the coppersmith did great harm to me. The Lord will repay him according to his deeds." Does that sound like Paul was hoping for Alexander to get off lightly?

Oh yeah. It's because many are myopic when they read "salvation" or "saved". They think it always deals with "going to Heaven when you die." And why not: it was the penalty the Roman church threatened the people with. That's why all the jokes have Peter at the gates of heaven. It was a great...