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  1. Chester

    Struggling reading through romans 8 & 9 and Calvinism.

    If you are struggling with Romans 9, one of the best and most direct answers to the Calvinistic questions of this chapter are answered in the book: The Potter's Promise - by Leighton Flowers. The author was a die-hard Calvinistic who left Calvinism from studying this passage (and others).
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    Observing the sabbath???

    Yes, you are allowed to buy and sell on the Sabbath. (but you don't have to) Yes, you can eat out on the Sabbath. (but you don't have to) Yes, you can cook and prepare meals on the Sabbath. (but you don't have to) For myself, I do my "Sabbath" on Sunday and find it most helpful, and restful...
  3. Chester

    Beware of online ministries

    Best wisdom I have seen on this thread yet. No need for more. Just read what Mr. Maxwel wrote. Close the thread down now - LOL! Here it is again - three points A.) If an "online ministry" is operating 100% online, then any unbiblical doctrine it promotes will also be online. B.) It should...
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    Bible translations

    I mostly use the KJV, especially for any kind of deep study of the text. I also use the NIV often when doing devotional reading, especially in the Old Testament, as it makes the text and story much easier to follow and understand. I have also found the ESV to be a good standby when studying...
  5. Chester

    How Long Does It Take to get

    The Greek tense for "hath" is the present tense which means ongoing continuous action in present time. It is not a past tense verb in spite of what the tense is in the KJV.
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    How Long Does It Take to get

    So what if Mark 13:13 just means exactly what it says? He that endures unto the end will be saved
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    GOD'S ULTIMATE PURPOSE FOR BELIEVERS

    Interesting. And you might be right. I do not know and have not followed the author of this thread previously. I am just taking at face value what I see him writing and think he has some important things to say. I think "hyper-grace" teaching is more teaching that says it is just OK to keep...
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    GOD'S ULTIMATE PURPOSE FOR BELIEVERS

    Paul was like all of us and at times committed sins -- wrong acts and deeds -- in his flesh. Thus he was like all of us a "sinner" in the flesh. But, it is also true that no sin will get into heaven. All the sins that we commit as believers are forgiven through the blood of Christ. Thus...
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    GOD'S ULTIMATE PURPOSE FOR BELIEVERS

    All Christians may sin, and as such anyone who commits sin can be called a sinner. This is on the level of our flesh. But when we are born again at the spirit level, we are changed into a new person and become a saint rather than a sinner.
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    GOD'S ULTIMATE PURPOSE FOR BELIEVERS

    Does Mission Impossible say this: that a born again person is literally Jesus Christ? If so, can you refer to that particular post?
  11. Chester

    Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked

    I have a bit of an interest in Greek myself - and have been teaching it at the college level for 25 years . . .
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    Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked

    Yah, I doubt too that Jesus meant that 4 legged bleating kind! LOL! When you say: So v.27 is about what believers DO or ought to do. It isn't a condition for receiving eternal life. In fact, Jesus begins with "My sheep", meaning they are already saved and already have eternal life. So...
  13. Chester

    Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked

    (1) I really have no comment on your references to Acts 16:31 and the aorist tense and its meaning, etc. That would be and is a very valid and interesting study. I in this discussion was only looking at John 10: 27,28 (2) You said "YEP" to my comment that We differ on how we interpret the...
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    Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked

    If you want to add the word "believers" in parentheses, I suppose you may - I am not sure why that is necessary. John could have used the word "believers" if he had wanted to - but by divine inspiration it was "sheep" and then he used Greek pronouns after that. Hence when I study the passage...
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    Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked

    I based my interpretation (and I admit it is my interpretation) on the Greek present tense that is used here. The normal rendering for the present tense is continuous, ongoing action - thus = and I am giving to them eternal life. Your interpretation could also probably be a possibility based...
  16. Chester

    Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked

    Now we are getting somewhere. I think we agree on two things that the text says: (1) The sheep are hearing Jesus and are following Him (2) These sheep (that are hearing and following him) are being given eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one can pluck them out of the Father's...
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    Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked

    I didn't say hearing and following is a requirement for receiving eternal life. Verse 27 doesn't make any kind of conditions that I can see? So we agree that the text says that the sheep are hearing Jesus and are following Him. Now another question: Does the text say that these sheep (that...
  18. Chester

    Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked

    John 10:27,28 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: and I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand Does the text say that the sheep are hearing and are following Jesus?
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    Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked

    I will just stick to what the text says: John 10:27,28 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: and I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. For myself, I know that I am a sheep of Jesus! Amen and thank...
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    Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked

    John 10:28 does not say "the recipients of eternal life shall never perish." It says "they shall never perish". Your interpretation of they is that it is "the recipients of eternal life." My interpretation of they is that it is "my sheep". Our argument is over our interpretations of the...