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I have heard this claim before about the connection between ritual (ceremonial) washing and baptism. That scripture does nothing for me in terms of connecting the two. Other than both being a ceremony that involves water, I see no connection. And it seems that someone that took that position...

EXACTLY !!!!!!!!!!!!

Exactly!

Are you claiming that trinitarianism is "philosophy and vain deceit"?

Are you claiming that the Father and the Holy Spirit are not a part of the godhead? Or perhaps that the Holy Spirit is not a part of the godhead?

You have failed to produce the particulars of any NT baptism. All we have for sure is the command of Jesus which you refuse to accept for some reason. (anti-trinitarian?)

Are you claiming that a triune godhead is "the tradition of men"?

Yes. I seemed to be getting an anti-trinitarian position from some of the posters on this topic. The baptism command of Jesus seemed to be a hot button with them.

I'm not the one who introduced the word "formula" to this discussion.

Seriously? No one believed in God the Father prior to that? No one believed in God the Son prior to that? No one believed in God the Holy Spirit prior to that? The Catholic Church "invented" the Trinity?

You have no proof of that. But you do have proof of what Jesus commanded. We should go with that.

None of those references give the particulars of the ceremony. We should go with what Jesus commanded.

Are you an anti-trinitarian? (third time I have asked)

Right, here's what he told them. Matthew 28:19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

Cite your sources.

Says who?

I don't recall ANY baptism ceremonies recorded in scripture that outline the particulars. Baptisms in Jesus' name were referred to as such to differentiate between the Baptisms of John. Why are you so quick to dismiss Jesus' command concerning this? Are you anti-trinitarian? Matthew 28:19...

I agree. Can you now see that it is going too far to accuse them of cannibalism?

Yes, I understand that. We are splitting hairs here. The elements maintain the appearance of bread and wine. (per your post) Nor does this change when they are ingested, according to Catholic testimony I have read. (No, I do not have the source.) Does that make it cannibalism?

Well said. It's not about winning an argument concerning who is right or wrong. It's about allowing them to be jealous of what we have. Make them hungry for the sort of relationship we have with God and the peace we have about life and eternity.