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    Understanding God’s election

    Really? Didn't know that. Maybe Adam fathered Bigfoot? :coffee:
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    Understanding God’s election

    Apparently not nearly enough shame to own his sin!
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    But spiritually affects all the faculties of man. When God cut Adam off from spiritual life that impacted him entirely. And if we really dig into the post-Fall account, we can see this easily enough. For example, we can see how both A&E became walking, talking dichotomies and how...
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    Understanding God’s election

    Which is actually an irrational faith on your part...with all due respect. How can you believe something that isn't revealed in scripture? Where is your evidence? Are you aware of the fact that after the Fall, there's not one text that teaches that Adam even acknowledged God, let alone...
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    Understanding God’s election

    But after he sinned, he was the DEAD image of God.
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    Well...there's the land of Eden and there's the Garden that was in Eden. Adam was evicted from the latter, and there's nothing in Gen 3:21-4:16 to suggest that A&E left the land. Also, if Cain and Abel weren't living in Eden, then why reference Eden in 4:16 with respect to where the land of...
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    Understanding God’s election

    When you quit projecting, the "irony" will magically disappear. :coffee:
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    Understanding God’s election

    A wise choice on your part. There's more hope for a fool than for a man who speaks in haste (Prov 29:20).
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    Understanding God’s election

    As it is also silent on whether he had saving faith. But it's not silent on Adam being a type of Christ by contrasts, is it? And while I have you here, here is another interesting little "factoid" about Adam being driven out of the Garden. He wasn't the only enemy of God who was driven out...
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    That's nice. Now do the world a favor and keep it under wraps. :rolleyes:
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    Understanding God’s election

    But that doesn't change what that horrible, yet divinely inspired "adulterer and murderer" wrote in terms of who is qualified to dwell with God. Unrepentant sinners never will!
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    Understanding God’s election

    Well...one of your comrades believe Adam was indeed a superhero -- either ocean or cv5, I believe. So you're distancing yourself from them? Prove it from scripture that "Adam had faith to the extent faith was known at the time". What comes out of your overworked, carnal imagination counts for...
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    Understanding God’s election

    He was also a saint a God-appointed king and a prophet of God . In fact...the "apple of God's eye" (Ps 17). So tell me: Were those Psalms that were written by an "adulterer and murderer" inspired by a holy God?
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    Understanding God’s election

    [/B] Then tell me, please, is it not enough for Christ's disciples to be "complete" as their heavenly Father? Did Jesus' command leave some important detail(s) out? Matt 5:48 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect. NIV And since you say that "complete doesn't mean...
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    Understanding God’s election

    More foolish speculations! Don't you know that it's a serious sin to ADD to God's Word? So many of you keep adding your personal assumptions, presuppositions, pipe dreams, etc. to the Word instead of exegeting it to find out what it's teaching. There are more than few Pharisees in this thread!
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    Understanding God’s election

    Christ is the ultimate seed but not the only seed, no more than the Serpent had only one seed. Is not the devil the enemy of all God's people to this day!? And while no one is ever spoken "as in Eve", neither does scripture teach that it's perfectly okay to be in Adam -- after all...all in...
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    Understanding God’s election

    Quit with your unsubstantiated, empty claims, already. There's not one text in the bible that speaks positively about Adam or that Adam was a believer. Besides, if Adam was this great man of faith, why does the bible teach that we don't want to die in Adam? And why isn't Adam the spiritual...
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    Understanding God’s election

    Not according to what you posted.
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    Understanding God’s election

    You twisted my words around. I didn't ask about what Abraham but what Adam received. Did Adam received Christ's imputed righteousness as Abraham did? Then give me chapter and verse.
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    Understanding God’s election

    He removed Israel because they became God's enemies through their covenant-breaking apostasy. BUT...each time they have returned to the land, haven't they? So...my argument about Adam being evicted from the Garden is legit, most especially since Adam only was the specific target of that...