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Ah, sorry, I sort of expounded on things related to what you were writing about. I think the verse might be referring to those who received Jesus while he was here on earth, when taken into context with the surrounding verses. I think we might simply have to believe in Jesus based on what he...

I think the writers were just using male-centric language and that there are in fact sons and daughters of God.

I think you're kind of putting a yoke on him to expect him to pray for something that you think he should pray for. I don't really know why a child couldn't believe in Jesus though. 1 John 2 was brought up, here's what it says in the KJV, 1 John 2:12-13 (KJV) 12 I write unto you, little...

That's great, but the part about receiving Jesus is troubling to me because of the way I read John 1. John 1:10-13 (KJV) 10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. 11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not. 12 But as many as received him, to...

I am also aware of being regenerated, Titus 3:5 (KJV) “Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;” Maybe this is what it means to be "born again" or "born of the spirit"? From what...

Two instances where people might have received or were sealed with the Holy Spirit at a later date would have been a better way to put it.

This is not my understanding of things, though I think my understanding of things might not be complete (and might possibly be wrong, if I was shown to be wrong I would hopefully accept that). John 3:16 says that God gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him shall not perish...

Well, if this was Paul's approach to women wanting to teach in church and is how he approached every situation where a woman wanted to teach in church (I mean in like an official capacity, over the whole congregation) then I think it's fair to model a church after what he wrote. The issue is...

John 1:12 King James Version 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: I have multiple opinions of this, but I'm not sure which one is correct because I'm not sure what this means. This verse seems to be saying that...

Thank you, I was totally reading it wrong. So sorry to anybody for what I wrote. I think what is in 1 Timothy might still be a model to follow for churches though. A "word of instruction" might be different than "teaching".

I don't know if it's talking about in church.

I was responding to you saying that Paul might have been being specific to the people he was talking to (in actuality he might have been, but I think the principle stands for everyone based on what I wrote in my previous post).

I didn't see this correlation when I initially read it and wouldn't have been aware of it unless you told me, so I don't think that it's the case.

Why would it not be permitted for women to speak in one church while it was permitted for women to speak in another church (Paul wrote "Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak;" 1 Corinthians 14:34 KJV)? I think you might have to reach rather far...

I don't know what else would be meant.

You have to properly divide the word. If it says in one place that women should keep silent in the churches but in another place talks about hymns, words of instruction, revelation, and so forth when coming together it must not mean at a church.

I looked at it briefly, if you mean when men and women come together as it makes reference to in the article, that could mean anywhere, but what it says in 1 Corinthians 14 makes it clear that women should keep silent in churches.

Oh ok, well this settles it.

True, I don't see why that matters here though. I've been rereading it and I can sort of see the other side of the issue based on how you read the text. I think I might have been reading it rather ignorantly at first. I think the way Paul writes though, at least with how it reads in the KJV...

I think it's possible Paul was only addressing that one specific church, but him saying that Adam was formed first and that Eve was deceived would make what he wrote applicable to every woman in every church.