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No a believer should ( myself included) Understand what we are to do as a believer now we have salvation. Following the 613 commandments is not the goal . Take any epistle from Paul and show me the examples in which it say s following the law is the goal ? Now you may think that this means a...

//so we are under law to learn how to live for the Lord,// which verse SAYS this though?

Gal 3 ¶Wherefore then serveth the law? it was added BECAUSE of transgressions , TILL the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator. 20Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one. 21¶Is the law then against the promises...

I've never known anyone who speaks so much about the law ,as you .

Which verses say this ?

Its you that's taking that extreme " "not under law" into "ignore the law " I don't 'ignore 'scriptures that mention the law . But a believer is still not UNDER the law ,in any sense.

The finger points to something. Its not the thing. This you don't know or understand, it seems .

But your trying to put people under It . You don't understand its purpose .

If you are a Christian, you will never mature . The ' Spirit of the law ' ,there is wisdom There . Because of a higher principle it points to . A mature believer who has learned to discern the spirit of the law grows in maturity and wisdom, because he knows how to do ,act and be in situations...

A baby Christian stays staring at signs and pointed fingers .

Just like the law 0 There's no blessing ,staring at the finger which is pointing to something .

A Christian should move towards something which the law cannot do . As a Christian is not UNDER the law ,your pointing in the wrong direction .

The sign isn't the thing. You seem to be hung up on the sign, instead of what it points to .

You tell me to keep reading after Acts 11 , But my point is about before Acts 11 . Thats why Eph 1.13 is not like before Acts 11

So Abraham didn't need to offer up Issac ?

why would you take ANY conversion account in Acts and assume that's how a person is saved today ?

Heres my point . In Acts there times when the Holy Spirit is recieved only by the Laying on of hands ( Acts 8) and after water baptism ( Acts 2 ,ect ) why would anyone think this is how a person receives the Holy Spirit today ? Two responses to this . Catholics/ cults and others say ,yes this...

Yes ,but its not required to be water baptized or having hands laid on, to recieve the Holy Spirit ,other than where it happened in scripture. Read Eph 1.13 . Thats how it happens today .

Can God not require something different from certain People at different times ? Like laying on of hands ,for a reason ? Or asking Israel to repent of crucifying a messiah and to be baptised in order to recieve the Holy Spirit ? Why would you have a problem with later the gentiles only had to...

Ok, they went EVERYWHERE preaching ,but not to EVERYONE . These are the facts . Acts 11 .( Many years after Acts 2 still ) 19¶Now they which were scattered abroad upon the persecution that arose about Stephen travelled as far as Phenice, and Cyprus, and Antioch, preaching the word to none but...