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Read the OP again. You are mistaken, as I explicitly explained the difference between the two, and haven't conflated the two terms throughout this entire discussion. Science is an investigation and gathering of raw observational data. Scientism is a faith-based belief in certain CONCLUSIONS...

In the OP, I explained that science and the Bible are not at odds... but Scientism (blind faith belief in flawed people's interpretations of raw data, ie: what you called "consensus among experts") and the Bible are very contradictory. For example, the Bible says God created heaven, earth, sea...

Please point out the strawman I've created. I'm actually contrasting what the Bible teaches with what Scientism teaches, ie: God created the earth during a six day period vs big bang/expansion/accretion/earth during 10 billion year period.

No, the tent is the entire heaven. David says the sun rushes out of its chamber. Enoch describes it similarly, except it comes out from and enters into many different gates.

As opposed to what? I see your photo of the hanging tent. That is cool and now I want one. But you suppose that's what Isaiah and David had in mind? How do YOU interpret the Biblical descriptions, "spreads out the heaven like a tent" and "pitched a tent in the heaven for the sun"?

I suppose God could have said, "The earth is X years old" at some point, but then we'd be in the same predicament as we are now - trying to ascertain from ancient genealogies exactly when He said those words, and how many years have actually transpired since then. In reality, if we take the...

All of those verses would convey the idea of the sun moving in relation to the earth, yes. The Hebrew verses (what Jesus called "scripture") don't actually say "rise" and "set". They say "come in" and "go out" - which is more accurate. The NT verses do say "rise" and "set", which is what the...

I don't know of any such thing as a spherical tent, do you? I am familiar with nomadic tents of Isaiah's day, that were like a dome covering a flat circle of land. What do you think Isaiah and David had in mind when they compared God's heaven to a tent?

Isaiah 40:22... It is he who sits above the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers; who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, and spreads them like a tent to dwell in. No, God has not pitched a literal tent for the sun. Metaphorically, yes, God has spread out the...

This isn't a flat earth thread, Magenta. It's a "Bible Vs Scientism" thread. And according to Scientism, the earth moves in relation to the sun. In the Bible, it is the sun that moves in relation to the earth. Which one of those is the truth? And the Bible doesn't say the sun literally...

In what way would it be plainly stated? Give an example.

Psalm 19:4-6... In the heavens God has pitched a tent for the sun. It is like a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, like a champion rejoicing to run his course. It rises at one end of the heavens and makes its circuit to the other... David says the sun runs a circuit across the heaven over...

I wasn't aware that there existed a more serious Bible topic than whether or not we can actually BELIEVE the Bible. Salvation means nothing if we can't believe scripture in the first place, right? So let me challenge you, Dino... Exodus 20:8-11... Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy...

No.

Fair enough, Eli. Most people are happy to openly profess the many scriptural understandings they have come to believe - but are unable/unwilling to stand and defend those beliefs against scrutiny. I am not one of those people. I wish you well, and I take solace in the fact that you walk away...

Today's scientists have substituted mathematics for experiments, and they wander off through equation after equation, and eventually build a structure which has no relation to reality. - Nikola Tesla What do you think of that statement, Dino? I noticed that you too went right to mathematics to...

It is indeed called "water level", not "water curve", right? Just like they're called airplanes, not aircurves.

How were you personally able to determine the validity of these things you have claimed, Dino?

Can you explain what that means? I'm picturing God personally telling you that Genesis is not literal - and I'm sure that's not what you actually mean, right? I don't know of anyone who has ever claimed the Bible fell from the sky. But I do know that our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ said that...

What SCRIPTURAL reason do you offer for not taking it literally? But the fact is that there is nothing you could possibly see through your telescope or in the fossil record that even comes close to saying the earth is older than 6000 years, Eli. That's the entire point of "Bible Vs Scientism"...