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    Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked

    Have you never believed in something only to find out later that with more information you decided that you did not believe in it anymore? You are trying to conflate demons and humans but it does not work. The demons knew that Christ Jesus was the son of God based on first hand knowledge, they...
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    Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked

    You are very cordial so I do not take any offense at your words. While I can understand your thought process I have to disagree. :) I have looked at a number of comments on this matter and what I find is a great deal of confusion and in some case discord. From what I understand of God, as...
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    Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked

    How can you miss the point that it is not God that has moved away it is the people. They have turned back to the world and thus have turned away from God. God because He is love will let man make their own choice to leave even as it breaks His heart.
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    Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked

    If you wish to hold to OSAS then do it but I see a number of verses that lead me to the opposite view. To me the question becomes, if God is love and He is then He would not force anyone to be with Him that did not want to be. Yes we are told the no one can snatch them from Gods' hand and I...
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    Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked

    I think you missed an important point in this story. The younger son took all that fell to him and left. The father did not stop him from going. When the son found himself in dire straits he decided to return to his home. The father did not have to take him back but did out of love for a lost...
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    Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked

    Actually the bible does say that those that believe can and sometimes do fall away or apostatize. We see this in the Psalms. Psa 101.3 In Gal 1:6 we see that the people are deserting {falling away from} faith in Christ Jesus and following another gospel. One of the clearest verses is 2Th 2:3...
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    Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked

    You will not find that in this text as Adam & Eve had a free will and they chose to eat the fruit and thus sin. I think where the problem comes in with the understanding of this text is that some people have the view that is put forward in the LBCF or the WCF that places all actions of man in...
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    Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked

    If you read through this thread you will see strong views and arguments from both sides OSAS & NOSAS. For what it's worth I think many of us have missed then main point in this discussion "OS". The reality is that you can find verses that support both views and I have heard fine preachers...
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    Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked

    I did read it as I have Baker's Dictionary on my system. Do you disagree with what Webster says?
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    Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked

    Actually what you linked to was Baker's Dic and it said to look at Freedom. Freedom, Exemption from fate, necessity, or any constraint in consequence of predetermination or otherwise; as the freedom of the will. Webster Now I took the liberty of posting the Webster Dic definition of Liberty...
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    Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked

    Find it amazing, well not really. You still will not answer a simple question will you. You have to dance around and make cute remarks. Is the problem that you have no convictions to speak of? You may have stated what they are at some point and if so then perhaps you could point us to them. PS...
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    Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked

    Why don't you just answer his question? Why respond with a question? ++++ can I ask do you believe mankind has no choice in whether they live forever or end up in the lake of fire ? And this isn’t a parable that requires anything but belief “And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world...
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    Is it too late?

    They may thought they were some of those that were to be lined up and shot. Thing is did the people run for the doors or just stay and listen to this "preacher".
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    Is it too late?

    I am tempted to say I am sorry of the people you hear on the tape but they are just as bad as Creflo as they are just there to have their ears tickled and try to put God in their debt. Those people are not victims they are willing participants.
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    Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked

    Just one comment, you do realize that when Paul was saying about someone preaching a different gospel he was taking a stand against the Judaizers. These were Jews that were teaching that in order to be really saved you also had to keep all the OT laws. They were preaching a Gospel + works...
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    Not By Works

    Do you understand what sanctification is? That is the process whereby after we are saved we grow more and more like Christ Jesus. We will at no point as long as we are in these bodies be sinless. When we are with Christ Jesus in heaven, glorified, then we will be like Him in other words sinless...
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    Doctrine of Unconditional Election

    Calvinist limited atonement has the result of all those not selected being unconditionally condemned. When will you start looking at your false theology of calvinism with an open mind. You have to get out of the echo chamber and trust what the bible says.
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    Not By Works

    I have to disagree with what you said here. If you think that you can at some point reach sinless perfection in this life then you do not understand just how sinful man is. We are to strive to be better but it is only when we are glorified with Christ Jesus that we will be like Him and be sinless.
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    Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked

    You struggle with the fate of Ananias and Sapphira but they were judged they lied to God. Act 5:3 But Peter said, "Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit. Read in Exodus what happened to Israel after they worshiped the molten calf. {Exo 32:19-28} Note the words of...