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    To all of you non flat earthers.

    You are not exactly opposite of south America. It is a difference of 13 hours. You say the math (exact mathematical angles) does not count, only your perspective. Then you claim the stars (math) cannot lie, only your perspective. Which statement are you sticking to?
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    To all of you non flat earthers.

    Not around, above the earth. There is no round except the path of orbit. The lines of latitude are circles. The ones in the southern hemisphere are larger than the ones in the northern hemisphere. So the crux is traveling twice as fast as the big dipper. The crux is never directly south...
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    To all of you non flat earthers.

    Simple answer: it does not. The two great lights get between each other and the earth. All lights in the sky are in orbit around the north pole. The sun and moon are in orbits between the big dipper and crux.
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    To all of you non flat earthers.

    You in Australia do not see the exact same position of crux at the exact same time those in Africa do. It is between you and them. Besides, looking in the "direction of" is not the same as the direction the crux is actually pointing to. Several angles are involved.
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    To all of you non flat earthers.

    The original dilemma was how can it be seen both in SA and Australia at the same time. If it can only be seen half the day, then at parts of the day crux is between both continents. If it can be seen 24 hours a day in both spots, that may be an issue. Not my issue though. I did not put forth...
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    To all of you non flat earthers.

    The stars work just like the two great lights. No. Still waiting to prove the crux can or can not be seen at the same time day and night. Because if not then the crux moves in an orbit around the North Pole just like the sun and moon. All have their area of influence.
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    To all of you non flat earthers.

    Well I guess no one looks for the crux during the day time, who knows?
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    To all of you non flat earthers.

    The crux can tell the time at any hour of the day, unless that is a lie. There are 24 hours in a day. A clock only has 12 of those hours. That means the crux is at each point on the clock twice. Which means that it has to do a circle twice a day. How does it do that circle twice as fast...
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    To all of you non flat earthers.

    Then the crux orbits around the north pole twice as fast as the sun does. Someone claimed the earth rotated once a day under the crux. But that would be impossible to rotate twice as fast for the crux as for the sun. So the only explanation is that the crux orbits the north pole. It cannot...
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    To all of you non flat earthers.

    According to history, the crux can be seen in Jerusalem every 20,000 years. It was last seen as a daily visitor 2000 years ago, and is not due back in 18,000 years. But what do the experts know? How do you know how far away the firmament is? The whole creation size should be able to be known...
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    To all of you non flat earthers.

    Because the firmament is also flat. Flat and does not move. The stars move around like clockwork. Which brings up the more impossible point than even you made. How can the area of influence of the crux be only seen on the outer "edge" at the same time? And you never addressed the point that...
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    To all of you non flat earthers.

    This will not settle the point made: how can one in Africa, one in SA, and he in Australia be seeing the same crux at the same time. The optical illusion is that it has it's own tiny orbit around an alledged singular point, obviously not on the horizon, but billions of light years out in...
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    To all of you non flat earthers.

    I can only take your word for it. If the crux never moves in the sky, why does it point in different directions, 12 different angles in a 380° circle? Either the crux is only right twice a day, or it points in the wrong direction 22 out of 24 times. When it is pointing straight up how is that...
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    To all of you non flat earthers.

    The big dipper is almost always straight above when I finally look for it. You do not have to face any direction to see it. Once you orient it and yourself to it, you follow where it is pointing, then you can look in that direction. The Big Dipper is low in the northeast sky at nightfall...
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    To all of you non flat earthers.

    Like I said, every time I look at the moon, I am facing south. You asked for an explanation. Based on the facts, that was the explanation. You rejected the facts. Now you claim the crux does not move in the sky, it only points in a different direction. If the crux does not move, then...
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    To all of you non flat earthers.

    You are only facing south at noon or midnight, when you face the crux. At other times when you face crux, it points to the south. The physics of the way it points would mean if it is upside down you are literally facing north. It is not pointing below you, but above you. It is only an...
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    To all of you non flat earthers.

    Sorry to point out the obvious, and mess with your virtual ability to see straight.
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    To all of you non flat earthers.

    Look at Google maps at the north pole. Where is all the ice? They said if it all melted, many coastal cities would be flooded. How can the satellites map the ocean depth if ice is blocking the view of the water? Why would direction be different on a globe or flat surface. Why blame me for...
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    To all of you non flat earthers.

    You mean the abject failure of Satan's deception for 2500 years. No it does not work in brainwashing every single human.
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    To all of you non flat earthers.

    I am not denying that point. I said the moon does the exact same thing. What you failed to claim is that the crux is in the exact same position and never moves like the moon does. I asked if the crux changed position, and the answer was yes, but the vertical stars always pointed south. So...