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I think LeeLoving has a point, To me Revelation 12 is a vision that shows past events that also relate to future events, it shows the first advent of Christ which is a past event. The question itself already assumes the angels have fallen, I mean if they are still good angels and havnt sinned...

My take on high places is the high places are of the world. I have trouble understanding the view that high places is heavenly places so agree that undue license is taken in the translation to make it heavenly places which it does not say. and the spiritually wicked are fallen angels who are in...

Figuratively Jesus was the lamb that was slain before the foundation of the earth, so before the garden was created, the plan was in place to rescue you and me :)

I see it as part of Gods plan.

I dont quite see it as a lie, I see it more as manipulation of facts.

Oh so nothing that specifically says that this happens in heaven, you assume that it is. Since this is one verse in isolation and somewhat ambiguous do you have any other verse's or reasons to support this? In verse 5 Job sends for and sanctifies for his children, so the context to me is Job...

I looked up the word convocation which is an assembly of persons called together to a meeting. um yeah I believe the 1:6 meeting was on earth, Job like Abel, Seth and Noah offered a lamb on the alter a sweet smelling aroma to God, is there a verse I can read that shows why you think they meet...

Great point :), if in prayer we ask for help in bending our will to align with Gods will, we become more and more Christ like as we mature and will find the idea and the thought of fornication abhorrent, if we find it abhorrent then its easy to observe the contradiction to then fixate upon the...

May our will be bent to God rather than trying to bend God to fit what our own wills want. Wait What? Im not the one saying they were in heaven and Im the one with the imagination :LOL:

This weird feeling of deja vu is washing over me isnt that weird, Gods character is not going to be one thing one day and another another day. He is the same yesterday, today and forever.

This weird feeling of deja vu is washing over me isnt that weird, The whole reason we are told there were giants on the earth in those days and also afterwards is so we know that they were already in existence before the sons of Gods took wives. Gen 6:4 There were giants on the earth in those...

This is my take on the occurrences of the phrase sons of God Genesis 6:2 is speaking of men Job 1:6 is speaking of men Job 2:1 is speaking of men Job 38:7 Appears to be angels which to me is confusing. Matt 5:9 is speaking of men Luke 20:36 not only men but contrasted to angels Gal 3:6...

lol The bible does not say a believer crossed with a non believer makes a giant, it seems you are taking your view of them being hybrids and mistakenly transferring it to others views.

Yes, but more importantly it is evil to God, those who have sex outside of marriage are fornicators. Eph 5:3 But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God's holy people. 1Thes 4:3 It is God’s will...

Adam begot sons and daughters, Im not sure how many hundreds of thousands of compounding people there would have been after say 1000yrs.

Ive developed a new rule of thumb that seems to hold true more often than not, Whatever the majority believe, then its generally in error.

Translating from one language to another has problems, there is no perfect version, KJV's included, Those who translated this are fallible yet they chose to paraphrase rather than use a literal meaning here, the problem with paraphrasing is that if your view or understanding is biased then it...

You tell us the superiority of the Hebrew then you give us a paraphrase into English so we can understand it, do you see the irony of this? The thing I find unsettling is that its not a literal translation but a paraphrase, its like trying to tell me the message bible is closer to Gods Word than...

I vote name and shame :censored:

Oh, As do I. I think I follow what your saying, So am probably pretty like minded I see the descendants of Cain as simply the mechanism that the Sethites confirmed their falling away from God, When you read the traits of Cains descendants they were the craftsmen, the musicians, the builder of...