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He has helpless, powerless people to save. Spend time in the Exodus narrative to see how God rescued helpless Israel from Pharaoh. Also, I just explained a few days how the sons of men are not totally depraved in the qualitative sense. But the unregenerate are totally depraved in the...

You should try to remember this important hermeneutical principle when interpreting passages: Narratives in scripture very often are illustrations of biblical doctrines (which is the case with 2Sam 12). Jesus in Mat 18 is very clearly teaching the Preservation of his Father's sheep (which in...

Thanks for your non-answer. But the fact that you cannot answer my question about the divine justice (or lack thereof) of physical death for the very young, shoots a big hole in you claim that God would be unjust if he allowed the very young to suffer the second death for all eternity. You...

Wow! That was cold...

It's not inconclusive if you rightly understand what is going on in Matthew 18 -- in which Jesus' focus is on his Father's sheep. Since its God's [decretive] will that none of "these little ones" (in both the physical and spiritual senses) should perish, then could Jesus have been any clearer...

You just figured that out? I suppose late is better than never <g>. So tell me, sir: You have appealed to God's justice by saying it would be unjust for God to condemn the very young who die never having a true knowledge of good and evil. Well...if that's the case, then please give me an...

QUOTE="Cameron143, post: 5389305, member: 314370"]Matthew 18:14 is similar to 1 Timothy 2:3-4. While I believe the truth reveals the heart of God, I don't believe it expresses the will of God. The verses in 2 Samuel speak of a particular instance, and no indication is given that this is true in...

There is no "contrast". You conveniently forget that EVERYONE comes into this world in ADAM! Each and everyone us is guilty of Adam's sin -- Sin that God sovereignly decreed to be imputed to us, since Adam is the federal head of the human race. The only people who are NOT in Adam are God's...

Similar but with a big difference. The key word in each of these passages is different. In 1Tim 2:4, the Gr. term "thelei" (Strong's 2309) that is rendered "wants" in the NIV or "desires" in the ESV and NASB speaks to God's Desirous Will to wit: thelo NT:2309 thelo (thel'-o); or ethelo...

See my 917. The concept is in scripture.

Then those children are not saved by grace since you are clearly saying that God is morally obligated to save small children. You are clearly saying that that infants, babies, children are ENTITLED to be saved. God is indebted to save such.

Icon, with all due respect, brother, you can keep repeating the Johanine passages until the cows come up , but none of them speak to the destiny of non-adults. In fact, the entire bible is written to people of the age of accountability since readers everywhere are commanded to repent and...

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I didn't say that. All I'm saying is that all the bible cites that Icon provided as "proof", don't address children or babies or infants, etc.. To counter his cites, I provided two of my own which make a much stronger than any he has provided. Again, please see Mat 18:14 and 2Sam 12:23.

But none of those passages specifically address people who have not reached the age of accountability, e.g. infants or any young child who has no real knowledge of good and evil. And this is one of my big pet peeves with :Confessions of Faith"! So many articles are actually not specifically...

I take it that you're a Reformed Baptist? How do the cited passages under Paragraph 3 support salvation of infants? I can see the regeneration of unbelievers and how that precedes faith, since Jesus was telling Nicodemus that something must be done to him before he can see the kingdom...

She certainly keeps me honest. :LOL:

No, she actually bought her own pistola. Now she's a real pistol. :p

Thanks for the tip. I think if I buy anymore books, my wife will shoot me <g>, but I can still snoop around and look the book.