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    A golden key to understand the book of Revelations

    Readers: this is a classic case of the "Socrates Syndrome:" someone who THINKS they know, when in fact they don't. Let's zero in on the exact midpoint, using scripture, not imagination. Rev. 11: 2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the...
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    A golden key to understand the book of Revelations

    (Emphasis added.) My friend, can we PLEASE just follow the text? You may not realize but you are putting your own twist on John. Here is how John put it. Seals 1-5 church age, the very age we are living. (Re. 6) Seal 6 is FUTURE and is the START of God's wrath (Rev. 6) Seal 7 starts the 70th...
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    Jesus comes immediately AFTER the tribulation, there is no Left Behind Secret Rapture=Stop causing fear.

    It is very simple: John shows us that the marriage and supper will be in heaven. When John writes "is come" it means RIGHT THEN, not later and somewhere else. Question: do you expect to STAND at the marriage supper? Oh, wait: you cannot GET THERE. Forget I ask.
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    How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

    From your reply, I know two things about you: 1. You don't know where the days of GT Jesus spoke of are found in John's narrative. Please allow me to give you a hint: Those days of GT Jesus spoke of will be caused when the Beast and False Prophet begin to behead people who refuse to bow and...
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    How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

    Why would you say that? Perhaps to make yourself feel better? They are 144,000 from the descendants of JACOB just as written. See? I DO know who they are.
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    How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

    1+1 = 2 and 1+1+1 =3. His coming as shown in Luke 2, plus His coming as shown in 1 Cor. 4, plus His coming as shown in Rev. 19.
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    How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

    Let's take it from the first writer to write of the 70 weeks: Daniel Dan. 12:7 AMP And I heard the man dressed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, as he held up his right hand and his left hand toward heaven, and swore by Him who lives forever that it would be for a time, times...
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    How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

    Daniel 12 tells us, that the purpose of the 70th week will be to "complete shatter" the power of the Jews. Today they trust in their IDF. God is going to take that away from them. And of course the ultimate purpose is to get them to trust in HIM, not their IDF. When they begin to trust in HIM...
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    How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

    Absolute truth! The end of THEIR age will be the 70th week of DANIEL, so for the Jews. The 70th week is not for the Gentile church of today. On the other hand, Paul received a revelation on the end of the church age and wrote in in 1 Thes. 4 & 5. According to Paul, one instant after the...
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    How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

    There ALMOST is such a scripture: Heb. 9:28 tells us He will APPEAR the second time. For Him to appear, He must COME. Therefore I think the timing of this appearing is for His coming as shown in 1 Thes. 4.
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    How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

    I would make one small correction: there are most certainly verses in Revelation that make very good sense taken literally, but they others that are clearly symbolic, such as the Beast described as having 7 heads. I have an axiom on Revelation: ANY theory that must rearrange John's God given...
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    How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

    You missed it again. The 144000 are seen in heaven in Chapter 14, before the days of GT. Of course that that endure to the end will have survived the days of GT.
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    How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

    I believe satan was cast out in the third trump. Imagination only. ANY THEORY that must rearrange John's God given chronology is immediately suspect and will be proven wrong. You are trying to move the war in heaven. Leave it where it belongs. Did you not notice that a VERY significant event...
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    How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

    Pretrib has made all of this so abundantly clear: It is now "church age" or the age of grace. At the pretrib rapture "time" will change to Day of the Lord. Days after the Day of the Lord begins (6th seal) Daniel's FINAL week will begin (7th seal) which is JEWISH time. The two witnesses will be...
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    Jesus comes immediately AFTER the tribulation, there is no Left Behind Secret Rapture=Stop causing fear.

    I find it very interesting: testimony after testimony of those who have seen heaven and have been prayed back to their bodies, speak that the next big event heaven is waiting for is the saints coming to heaven as in the pretrib rapture. I have a large stack of books on people that have seen...
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    How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

    It is not my fault you don't read properly. The truth is very simple: Paul's rapture/resurrection comes BEFORE wrath (6th seal) but the resurrection of the Old Testament saints is "on the last day. It will be interesting to see how you twist things to make before wrath be "on the last day."
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    Jesus comes immediately AFTER the tribulation, there is no Left Behind Secret Rapture=Stop causing fear.

    Another testimony: " There is another sister in Christ who was also taken to heaven and she also saw angels going back and forth preparing the wedding supper also! I told the Lord, “Why did this sister see angels preparing things here, but I don't see any preparations being done?” The Lord...
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    A golden key to understand the book of Revelations

    You can ignore 1 Thes. 4 & 5, and make believe Luke did not write of an escape plan. That is your choice. But the truth of scripture is still there for you to believe. Paul wrote of the catching up and it surely will take place. Luke wrote of a way to escape what is coming - the time of God's...
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    A golden key to understand the book of Revelations

    It is Jacob's trouble because Jacob had to work an EXTRA 7 years for the woman He loved, due to deceit on the part of the Father in law. And the 70th week will be 7 years of trouble.
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    A golden key to understand the book of Revelations

    I agree in part, but would like to point out something: at the midpoint of the week, the division point, when the man of sin enters the temple and declares he is god, the 7th trumpet will sound to mark that time in heaven and perhaps on earth. ALSO at the 7th trumpet, a property closing will...