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You can of course think and say "nonsense," but you cannot get away from what Paul wrote: clear scripture that his gathering - the one he wrote about - will be JUST before the start of God's wrath and the Day of the Lord. In Revelation the start of God's wrath is before any part of the 70th...

Any of us could say the same thing only of pretrib: "If you can bring it forth from Scripture, out of the Mouth of God, that shows clearly and plainly that Paul's rapture will be posttrib, then our disagreements will be over: the entire church will become posttrib believers. " Let's see: how...

Finally, you said something I can agree with: there is VAST disagreement on many doctrines in the church today. Indeed, 1 Cor. 15:23, 1 Thes. 4, and 2 Thes 2 ALL refer to Jesus' second coming, which will be PRETRIB and just before the start of Wrath. In contrast, His coming to Armageddon will...

Sorry, but I have to disagree. There is not one word in their description that would hint they are martyrs. Neither is their one word in their description that tells us they have resurrection bodies. However, when we take their passage IN CONTEXT, they were seen in heaven shortly after Paul's...

I will add more scriptures to help prove your point: Matthew 22:23 The same day came to him the Sadducees, which say that there is no resurrection, and asked him, Matthew 22:28 Therefore in the resurrection whose wife shall she be of the seven? for they all had her. Matthew 22:30 For in...

Just so you know, NO ONE in the posttrib camp has ever proven with scripture that the gathering in Matthew 24 is Paul's rapture. And don't say there is no such thing. First Thes. 4:17 is "Paul's rapture" because Paul received a revelation on the rapture and wrote of it. NO ONE in the posttrib...

As I have said over and over, there is NO clear and unambiguous verse telling us plainly WHERE Paul's rapture will take place. If there were such a verse, the whole church world would be in agreement. I think we can safely say that the entire church world agrees with John 3:16. I have never...

Here I must agree with you. If we just leave the first seal in its CONTEXT, we see Jesus ascending and sending the Holy Spirit down (Rev. 5) and Jesus taking the book from the right hand of the Father. And the next thing John wrote after the worship was Jesus opening the first seal. That would...

Where you miss it: you IMAGINE that "first" means first in sequence and ONLY ONE TIME. That is not at all the intent of the Author. It is first in HONOR and happens OVER TIME All the righteous over all time will at one time receive their resurrection body and THEIR resurrection. Jesus was...

Romans 2:16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.

What is the meaning of "nature?" Is it the "flesh" or is it the "spirit" or is it something else? I believe the nature of a man comes from the spirit, the inward man. In an unregenerate man, his nature or his spirit is a sin generator. In someone born again, that "fallen" nature has changed...

You have a huge problem: in your theory, "when the LORD returns" is after the wedding. It does not fit.

No. Saints with the Beast? Yes, but according to chapter 12, ONLY A REMNANT left. Why? Because the pretrib rapture pulled the main group out before wrath.

Question: which would be the biggest number: those believers who are martyred or those believers who are NOT martyred?

Who gave YOU the right to judge if someone is adding or taking away? Who gave YOU the right to call everyone that does not agree with you a liar? ("Judge not that ye be not judged")

When will you ever get things straight in your mind? If there is a "spirit of error" it runs rampant through your posts. Will you have to experience it all first? Will you have to arrive in heaven before you get this right? OF COURSE the dead in Christ rise first - no one has ever said...

It is a false doctrine to claim that the promise to Israel is different or separate to the promise given to Christ and those in Christ. I would only add that there is certainly a difference in OUTCOME of those Jews who accept Jesus now and become part of the body of Christ on earth - to be...

The Day of the Lord was started just before chapter 7. The 70th week of Daniel will begin with the 7th seal and first trumpet in chapter 8. John will not get to the days of great tribulation (GT) that Jesus spoke of until after the abomination which in Revelation is in chapter 11. But those days...

You are mixing up to events that John did not mix. Let's talk about chapter 7. Why did John break from his narrative of the seals between the 6th and 7th? Have you ever watched a play that had curtains that closed between the acts of the play? What happens behind the curtains between acts of...

The truth is, neither does mid trib have any, neither does prewrath have any, and neither does posttrib have any. Such a verse does not exist. You are right. The text does not say it specifically. But then, it does not deny it either. Since I think the text shows us they will be resurrected...