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In Romans 10:9 it says, Romans 10:9 (KJV) That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. From this verse it is saying that Jesus is a Lord (or THE Lord), right? If so, is Jesus a Lord, or...

Those who are saved are predestined to be saved, right? If so, does that mean someone who is saved should not pray for the salvation of someone who is not saved?

So did Jesus take the wrath that God the Father has towards sin for us? This seems right, I guess. Were you referring to God the Father when you were writing "God"? I've been told that Jesus did not take the wrath of God (possibly the wrath that God the Father has towards sin, I guess I don't...

Actually, what I might have been told is that Jesus did not take the wrath of God for us. (maybe that He did not take the wrath that God the Father has towards sin for us) That kind of changes things, because the people who might have told me this might say that Jesus took the punishment for...

Did Jesus take the punishment for our sins? Could people answer this question for me authoritatively, exhaustively if need be? I might have been told both yes and no to this question, on this forum. If the answer to this question is yes, Jesus took the punishment for our sins and you both...

So would you say it's both true that Jesus took the punishment for our sins and that He took the wrath of God (the Father) for us?

I'm not saying Jesus was sinful or sinned, but didn't He become sin for us and bear the wrath that God has against sin for us?

Messed up in this post. Still not sure which Person's wrath out of the three Persons of the Trinity Jesus would be taking if He took the wrath of God for us. (or if it would be more than one Person's wrath) I guess it might be the Father's wrath and maybe Jesus' own wrath and also the Holy...

Are you sure you aren't in error here? How could Jesus have been made sin for us (I'm correct that Jesus was made sin for us, right?) and not have taken the wrath of God for us (still not sure which Person, or Person's, wrath, out of the three Person's of the Trinity, Jesus would have been...

I might have meant all three Persons of the Trinity when I used God in this post (or maybe just the second time). If on the cross Jesus was taking the wrath that God has towards sin I'm not sure whose wrath it would be (which Person's wrath it would be out of the three Persons of the Trinity, or...

What was Jesus doing on the cross if He wasn't taking the wrath that God has towards sin? Jesus was made sin for us wasn't He? God is wrathful toward sin, isn't He?

In case it isn't clear, I'm basically asking what it means that Christ died for our sins.

1 Corinthians 15:3 - For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; What do these words mean?

Didn't Jesus get in our place and take the wrath that God has against sin? (still not sure who's wrath Jesus would be taking - see my last post)

Huh?

Does anyone else want to contribute? Not sure who's wrath Jesus took on the cross (out of the Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit), though I guess I might be leaning towards it being the wrath of God the Father.

The wrath God the Father has toward sin? It wasn't also Jesus' own wrath toward sin and the Holy Spirit's wrath toward sin was it? (if Jesus and the Holy Spirit are wrathful toward sin - are they?)

Was it only on the cross that Jesus took the punishment for our sins?

Did Jesus take the punishment for our sins on the cross and before the cross? Or was it only on the cross?

Aren't some vessels prepared for destruction and some for mercy? (might have gotten that wrong) Doesn't that mean some people are predestined for hell (or even, everyone who goes there was predestined for there?)?