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Where does it say that God's grand design was to use satan as His tool? I understand that is your interpretation, but where does it say that?

Where does Job exalt himself above God? Yes, Elihu accuses Job of that, but where does Job actually say that? Also, if you reread chapter 9 you will find that Job says things to the contrary. All of chapter 9 is Job's acknowledgement of his place compared to God's and Job is full of praise to...

Job's faith was tested, of course, but what do you mean by "unwavered" exactly? He struggles trying to figure out why all of this is happening to him, but are you equating that with unbelief? Can you please clarify? Regarding the cause of his suffering, did you notice this verse at the end of...

How did you come to this conclusion? Where does it say this in the text? It appears you are changing the entire premise of the story with your assessment. The wager that kicks off Job's suffering is satan claiming that Job would curse God if Job loses everything. Satan believes Job's...

OK but just because Job was speaking of things he did not fully understand does not mean what he said was wrong, does it? It was just beyond him. That is why his words can be viewed as prophetic. God fully knew what Job meant - and that is why God says Job has spoken rightly of Him (God). Job...

Where does it say that Job's sin was unbelief? Did you notice that Job is the only one in this whole story actively seeking God? Persistently praying to God? Reaching outside of himself repeatedly to connect with God? How can you accuse Job of unbelief? How are you defining unbelief exactly? Job...

Question: if Job sinned, where is his required sacrifice? The three friends were rebuked by God and required to offer a sacrifice for their sin. So if you conclude Job sinned, where is his sacrifice? Also, consider the Hebrew word for "repent". It seems to me many people get hung up on this...

Have you ever considered applying this logic to Elihu? I would suggest it is more fitting with him. Also, some of Job's statements are utterly profound, even prophetic. He says for instance in 19:25, "For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth."...

Yes, I wholeheartedly agree with you that through this trial Job comes to a much deeper and more intimate understanding of God. Absolutely. However, the deeper heart issue stuff is nowhere in the text. Nowhere can we find that as part of the story. The premise of what is happening to Job is...

So to the point of the Book of Job, it seems some people cannot accept Job's innocence. They are adamant that he MUST have done something wrong in order for him to suffer as he does. Yet we know it is explicit in the text that Job's suffering is not due to something he has done wrong. If you...

OK but you do notice that he is stating they should decide amongst themselves what is good apart from any reference to God, right? You do see that?

Was it just or unjust of God to let His innocent Son Jesus Christ suffer unjustly at the hands of sinners and die?

Elihu speaking long should not be an indicator of his truthfulness either way. I think what is more important is the content of his words and his motivation. What does he say? Why does he say it? Do you remember when the devil quoted Scripture to Jesus in the desert? What the devil said was...

Speaking of pride in this story, I think it is remiss not to look at Elihu. I am always amazed whenever the pride of Elihu is ignored. In fact, he is often praised for his speeches, and yet he is the most bombastic, prideful, arrogant one of the bunch, in my opinion. So the criticism belonging...

When Job says he broke the jaws of the wicked, I read that as him offering help to others in need. He was offering justice to the oppressed. I understand your adamancy about Job and his pride and his self-righteousness. I do not believe Job would have announced these things about his life under...

You've done a good job with your arguments concerning righteousness. Job wasn't attempting to suggest that his personal righteousness by the law was true, but that the righteousness he possessed of God was real. Where Job erred was in respect to God's sovereignty. Convinced of his innocence in...

Psa 51:16 For thou desirest not sacrifice; else would I give it: thou delightest not in burnt offering. Psa 51:17 The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise. Job did not have a broken spirit or a contrite heart. He was striving with his...

The same way Paul declared himself blameless while he was killing Christians. Phl 3:5 Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee; Phl 3:6 Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the...

Thank you for all of your responses. I find them quite strong and insightful and better than anyone I've heard discuss Job from your perspective.

I have to ask: why can't you accept the premise that when this story begins, there is no particular sin in Job's life? Why do you have the need to accuse him of something like pride and self-righteousness? This insistence is akin to how Job's three friends view him, too. Did you notice that? Why...