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  1. Jocund

    "They Are Spiritually Discerned"

    I think your post is great, I just have one knitpick, and that is the concept that intellect were a carnal thing. In some senses, yes, in other senses (particularly in the sense of logos), no. Even intellect in a carnal sense can be a vehicle for divine revelation much in the same way that...
  2. Jocund

    Dispensationalism...

    Great points, I just wanted to add: Dispensationalism is a hybrid religion between Talmudic Judaism and Christianity. They aren't quite Jewish and they aren't quite Christian in the same sense that Mormons and Moslems aren't quite Christian. It's part of the reason we see so much fighting about...
  3. Jocund

    Dispensationalism...

    If Jews repent and believe in Christ, in your opinion do they become Christian? You'll never answer that question because you know it would reveal too much about your true beliefs.
  4. Jocund

    Dispensationalism...

    Sound exegesis matters.
  5. Jocund

    Dispensationalism...

    Ez 37:22 is about the groups coming together under one kingdom and was fulfilled under King David. Rom 11 never states that there is a time for the gentiles, only that the fullness of the gentiles will come in before the blind parts of true Israel are brought in. This could be by season rather...
  6. Jocund

    Dispensationalism...

    "In the same day the Lord made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:" - Gen 15:18 KJV "And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an...
  7. Jocund

    Dispensationalism...

    In your opinion is "rightly divided" the same or different than "sound exegesis"?
  8. Jocund

    Dispensationalism...

    Recent comments were to Everlasting-Grace. If you're hinting at what I think you're hinting at, I think you're the wiser of the two of us!
  9. Jocund

    Dispensationalism...

    Why are you talking about salvation when those passages are about promise?
  10. Jocund

    Dispensationalism...

    "Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ." - Gal 3:16 KJV What does Gal 3:16 mean to you? "And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise." - Gal 3:29 KJV...
  11. Jocund

    Dispensationalism...

    Not even Talmudic Jews take that position. "And I will give unto thee, and to [Christ] after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God." - Gen 17:7 with Gal 3:16 cross reference Gen 17:7 and Gal 3:16 state that...
  12. Jocund

    Dispensationalism...

    It's hard to remember who I've had conversations with before, so bear with me if we've already talked about this in a different thread and come to a stalemate. The source material for those passages says "seed" singular referring to the Seed. These are Seed promises per Gal 3:16. If you were the...
  13. Jocund

    Dispensationalism...

    Are you calling Christ and Paul gentiles?
  14. Jocund

    Dispensationalism...

    "And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne." - Rev 12:5 KJV "And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. And the armies which were in heaven followed...
  15. Jocund

    Dispensationalism...

    That just isn't true. Primarily because "rapture" is a new-age concept and isn't necessary. Especially rapture in the sense of being physically removed from a dangerous location prior to the coming of Christ. The Israelites weren't raptured out of Egypt when the angel of death came by. They...
  16. Jocund

    Dispensationalism...

    Roman 11:25 states that only a part of Israel is blinded/unrepented. The other part of Israel includes Paul and Christ Himself. Do the promises that you propose apply to Israel also then not apply to the unblinded part of Israel?
  17. Jocund

    Dispensationalism...

    How can a promise be granted for unending possession for something that ends? I offered the possible solution of recognizing the fact that "forever" can be translated as "in perpetuity" instead of "unending". You might agree or disagree with that solution. You might have an entirely different...
  18. Jocund

    Dispensationalism...

    Your intepretation creates a contradiction, how do you address it? An everlasting covenant can be broken (cf. Is 24:5). The "everlasting" in Hebrew can mean perpetual rather than "unending". Also, if you mean something was given by promise, that's different. Which promise are you talking...
  19. Jocund

    Dispensationalism...

    If the earth fades away, how could any group hold land on earth forever? "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea." - Rev 21:1 KJV
  20. Jocund

    Dispensationalism...

    Since Paul is of Israel, would he not be a recipient of that inheritance? In your perspective you seem to be saying that Paul and Peter ceased being Israel the moment they turned to Christ? Or by your words, that Paul and Peter switched administrations? And here you state that Jews don't...