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    The Rapture of the Church is after the Tribulation

    " in my father's house are many mansions. I go and prepare a place for you,that where I am ( heaven),you may be also" Rev 19 saints wife/bride in heaven DURING the gt Marrige supper has taken place in heaven rev 19. Mat 25 the groom takes the bride to the marriage chamber (heaven). The parable...
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    The Rapture of the Church is after the Tribulation

    There was no mark in their hand or forehead. Plus it was not worldwide. Plus the "woman" was not ushered into a place of safety with a flood sent by satan as depicted in revelation. Plus the 144k are absent from 70 ad. As are the flying scorpions and hailstones of fire.
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    The Rapture of the Church is after the Tribulation

    I have no problem defending the pretrib rapture doctrine. What you have with your teachers is left out verses. For examole,show me one of your teachers that INCLUDES the dialog at the last supper,rev 14,mat 25,or admits the gathering in mat 24 is in heaven. Not where they are REFUTING those...
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    IF there was a Rapture at the start off a 7 year tribulation period, then

    You are agreeing with men that never saw Israel re established. So for you to just assume what they did is a little silly. Postribs big smoking gun is yet another false assumption. If those dead men could speak you would hear a recant. Today we know more.
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    IF there was a Rapture at the start off a 7 year tribulation period, then

    And yet your interpretation has the saints in with the heathen. You are basically painting yourself into the proverbial corner. Your interpretation hinges on shaky ground. You have belivers judged at the gwtj and that event DURING the gt.
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    IF there was a Rapture at the start off a 7 year tribulation period, then

    ......and after the gt,and the 2 witnesses and the rapture of rev 14,and the return with his saints and after the mil and the devil loosed for the last battle
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    IF there was a Rapture at the start off a 7 year tribulation period, then

    You have the saints judged with the heathen in your interpretation.
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    IF there was a Rapture at the start off a 7 year tribulation period, then

    If you go back and read that,in context,the 24 elders are making declarations immediately after the 2 witnesses are raptured. Rev 11 is not rev 20. It is proclamations from heaven by the 24 elders It says the saints are judged. So you have the saints judged again with the wicked. That dog won't hunt
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    IF there was a Rapture at the start off a 7 year tribulation period, then

    Since the devil is bound for a thousand years,when,in your mind,was he bound for 1k yrs?
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    IF there was a Rapture at the start off a 7 year tribulation period, then

    Did he see the rapture mid trib of the Jews in rev 14? The flying scorpions? Hailstones of fire? A flood from satan that was designed to kill the Jews,but swallowed up by God? Millions refusing a mark and beheaded? Or worldwide worship of a man?
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    IF there was a Rapture at the start off a 7 year tribulation period, then

    Especially since the rapture is the harvest of the bride,and the foolish stay. In fact,there is no point in a rescue of Noah or Lot postjudgement. " now after the flood had subsided God closed the door of the ark" That dog won't hunt
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    IF there was a Rapture at the start off a 7 year tribulation period, then

    .....and,by the same token,none after the Gt or mid trib,... We do see one during the gt in rev 14. But it is not the main harvest rapture. That one is pretrib as is laid out vividly by the bible
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    2 verses that refute all forms of Premillennialism

    Your post makes me glad i study the word. He does what it says he does. Raises the dead and raptures the living in Christ (note....not those apart from Christ),pretrib.raptures the ripe fruit midtrib and returns postrib. Then....after 1000 years....
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    2 verses that refute all forms of Premillennialism

    Would that rquire the devil to be chained and out of the picture?
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    Is all 66 Books Bible the infallible, inerrant Word of God?

    And what,pray tell,do you recommend?
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    Is all 66 Books Bible the infallible, inerrant Word of God?

    The only reason i support kjv is its closenes to the recieved text.
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    Is all 66 Books Bible the infallible, inerrant Word of God?

    Such a disdain for the bible's accuracy. To read all that ,one concludes that we have no idea what God has said in his word. No inspiration,help or guidance from the Holy Spirit speaking through the copiers of the rextus receptus or the board of king james translators. This type of approach...
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    The Rapture of the Church is after the Tribulation

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^this^^^^^^^^^^^
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    The Rapture of the Church is after the Tribulation

    Plus it is Jacob's trouble,not brides trouble. Purpose. God is a God of purpose. The trib is the end of the gentile church on earth and a catalysts to see Israel repent and be brought in.