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That's right. Calvinism and antinomianism (lawlessness) are light years apart. Only in Freegrace can antinomianism be found in the believer's life and them still be considered saved. In Calvinism, antinomianism is the sign of the unsaved.

That's good. Just keep these scriptures in mind: "...you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but be afraid. For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either." - Romans 11:21 "So, if you think you are standing firm, be careful that you don't fall!" - 1 Corinthians...

Sometimes I'll use the phrase 'I chose to be saved' knowing full well that the Bible says we did not choose him, he chose us. I mean it in the sense that God initiates salvation, not man, but we choose to respond to the offer he initiates. I think even Calvinism says that. It's just that God...

@preacher4truth , @eternally-gratefull , I liked the discussion about election and predestination. I'm pretty sure that's where your doctrinal differences exist. But as far as I can see you two are on the same page in regard to the changed life of the true believer and always being saved.

I understand the point you're trying to make. We did not possess God's grace while we were yet sinners. It was made available to us while we were yet sinners. And that grace, that was made available to us while we were yet sinners, is only given to those who respond in faith to the offer of that...

@preacher4truth , I have to be honest here, as far as I know EG has always defended this truth. Your differences lie in other aspects of Calvinism, not the 'osas/ change of life' part. Me and him start tossing chairs and tables around when it comes to discussing matters of faith and believing...

I thought so. I know we haven't seen eye to eye on things, but I did understand you to be Calvinist leaning (not saying you are a Calvinist) in regard to the matter of sin in the life of the believer. You and preacher4truth are in agreement here.

It's okay. I know what he's saying. I had to read your post a few times to figure out exactly which way to understand what you were saying (it could be understood two different ways).

He can set the record straight but I'm almost certain he believes the sinning person in 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 was never saved to begin with. Which, as far as I've seen, involves matters of faith, election, and predestination, not the matter of the truly saved person being 1) forever and always...

Because in Calvinism, God's grace is only given to people who have faith. In Freegrace, God's grace is given to people who stop having faith. God's grace is high, and wide, and deep but is confined to those who have faith. But Freegrace says God's grace is boundless and not confined to any...

He can correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure he is agreement with you that if a 'believer' is living in sin they are not saved to begin with. He has cited 1 John 3:6 before to make the point: "6 No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or...

Eternally-Gratefull is right there with you. He agrees that the person who lives in sin was never known by Jesus. From what I've seen, your differences aren't in the matter of OSAS itself, but rather in the matters of election and predestination.

You both agree with traditional OSAS teachings that say the true believer can not purposely live in sin or ever go back to unbelief. As opposed to Freegrace OSAS which says true believers can do that and remain saved.

And that is exactly where you and @preacher4truth agree. This is your common ground.

It's true, the point is not if one OSAS camp is saved over and above the other. You are right that it's about the stark contrast in doctrine between Calvinist OSAS and Freegrace OSAS. For those following along, @eternally-gratefull has a more Calvinist leaning OSAS doctrine, while 11th hour...

I think that's a fair summary of what my view is. Although I don't say that every Freegrace believer is a false believer. 11th hour and decontroversal. They use 2 Timothy 2:13 to support their doctrine that you can even stop believing and you are still saved. 13if we are faithless, he...

Calvinist OSAS: The 'believer' who lives in willful sin, or goes back to unbelief shows that he was never saved to begin with. Freegrace OSAS: God's grace is so great that the saved person can even go back to unbelief and they are still saved no matter what.

@eternally-gratefull , do you even know the difference between Calvinist OSAS and Freegrace OSAS? There are those in this very thread who subscribe to Freegrace OSAS, and that is what he plainly addressed in his post.

@jackrosie "23Let us hold unswervingly to the hope we profess, for he who promised is faithful." - Hebrews 10:23 "14Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has ascended into heaven, f Jesus the Son of God, let us hold firmly to the faith we profess." - Hebrews 4:14 Yes, Jesus is a...

I wasn't born dead, I was born unclothed with Christ but blameless, like Adam. And like Adam, when the commandment came, that is when I died: "9 Once I was alive apart from the law; but when the commandment came, sin sprang to life and I died. 10I found that the very commandment that was...