A Saint's Guide to Sinning Less
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Everything I put in bold is concerning. VVe believe in the same Jesus Christ who died on the cross for us. The issue is that we disagree on exactly what He accomplished through His death and resurrection. The goal to be free from sin is one shared, but the method to obtain that is different for us. You say we hold different faiths, but do you say that to say these people are not your brothers and sisters in Christ? Do you know their heart and their relationship with the Lord? Are you God?
I, again, make a call to you for honesty. People are telling you that you are misrepresenting them but you continue to do so. At all costs, avoiding unity and causing strife you continue to spread misconceptions that people are telling you directly are incorrect. If one is lying, it is you out of ignorance or malintent. That is inappropriate.
I don't regard you as evil, nor do I see you as a foe but as a person that is growing. One day, hopefully, the Lord reveals to you His grace, and all that is in Christ, Jesus for us. It is you who is dividing us, and no one else. People are fed up with your antics Peter. That is the truth.
I, again, make a call to you for honesty. People are telling you that you are misrepresenting them but you continue to do so. At all costs, avoiding unity and causing strife you continue to spread misconceptions that people are telling you directly are incorrect. If one is lying, it is you out of ignorance or malintent. That is inappropriate.
I don't regard you as evil, nor do I see you as a foe but as a person that is growing. One day, hopefully, the Lord reveals to you His grace, and all that is in Christ, Jesus for us. It is you who is dividing us, and no one else. People are fed up with your antics Peter. That is the truth.
Picture a road. On either side of that road are ditches. Does it matter if you fall into one or the other? Yes, it is a possibility that someone fell off the left side and never wants to do so again and then ends up falling off the right side for a while. It sometimes seems to me that arguing is nothing but debating which ditch is the best one, while meanwhile, neither is on the road, entrenched in their ditch, shooting across the road at each other.
It is possible to go to an extreme either way and fall in a ditch...
It is possible to go to an extreme either way and fall in a ditch...
The middle ground is not truth, but compromise. The truth shouldn't be compromised because people have disagreements, even if heated. People want to use this analogy so often calling for balance but God's grace isn't balanced by His law. They are two covenants, one based in self merit and the other grace. One is, actually, meant to lead you to the other.
One condemns you, and one gives life. There is no middle road here, not to sound militant. In finding a middle ground you then lose true balance. The truth being compromised. Grace no longer being grace and law no longer being law. Both nullified.
The extreme is in lacking love.
One condemns you, and one gives life. There is no middle road here, not to sound militant. In finding a middle ground you then lose true balance. The truth being compromised. Grace no longer being grace and law no longer being law. Both nullified.
The extreme is in lacking love.
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I am sorry sis, I love you too. And I am not going to get into it with Peter.. so do not fear that, If anything I will just respond to him like I would anyone else.
But your and moms "nudges" have not done anything to help. nor have all the people over the past few months who have "nudged" like you are trying to do..
The same stuff continues, as witnessed here even today. He still bears false witness (they both do) and they still deny they have done anything wrong.
How many hypergrace threads have we had lately? or how about the word of faith thread? (not that I visited that one, it was closed before I had a chance to even read it) Or the joseph prince thread (one of the most hateful threads I ever witness since i have been a member of CC, and the many other ones..
But your and moms "nudges" have not done anything to help. nor have all the people over the past few months who have "nudged" like you are trying to do..
The same stuff continues, as witnessed here even today. He still bears false witness (they both do) and they still deny they have done anything wrong.
How many hypergrace threads have we had lately? or how about the word of faith thread? (not that I visited that one, it was closed before I had a chance to even read it) Or the joseph prince thread (one of the most hateful threads I ever witness since i have been a member of CC, and the many other ones..
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I will say, as far as eternal life and the gospel is concerned I agree.
But other things such as end times doctrines. We need to be careful and not think we are so right, as to cause division and think a brother or sister who is not with us is against us.
That is causing division and is tool used by satan I believe.
But other things such as end times doctrines. We need to be careful and not think we are so right, as to cause division and think a brother or sister who is not with us is against us.
That is causing division and is tool used by satan I believe.
I agree...and the ditch to me is the name-calling and continual mis-representing of what is being said. Agreeing to disagree is what we should be doing and that will maintain the unity of the faith without the malice and slander.
The ditch to me is how we respond to each other when there are disagreements. Love should be the way we all want to live by.
The ditch to me is how we respond to each other when there are disagreements. Love should be the way we all want to live by.
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The two ditches are legalism and licentiousness.
The true gosepel with a healthy understanding of both how the law leads people to Christ and how through grace, faith is given, then how God writes the law in the hearts of born again believers is the road.
Problem is folks think the other person fell in the ditch a while back and can't accept that they both might,just be walking on the other side of the same road using roadsides in a different language but saying the same things.
The true gosepel with a healthy understanding of both how the law leads people to Christ and how through grace, faith is given, then how God writes the law in the hearts of born again believers is the road.
Problem is folks think the other person fell in the ditch a while back and can't accept that they both might,just be walking on the other side of the same road using roadsides in a different language but saying the same things.
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I know the ones with grace. What I see too much on this site are the ones who play holier-than-thou and call that Grace. This is what I'm saying. There are too many justifying self and then calling that "fruit."
It's so bad, you aren't even catching I was talking to more than one side. Hyper and hypo aren't good and yet hyper and hypo spend their days arguing with each other and polishing the pokeweed berries and jimsonweed to prove how lovely their fruit is.
And then they pat each other on the back.
But, one thing for sure, the regulars are enjoying this post, so we all keep getting Dueling Banjos.
It's so bad, you aren't even catching I was talking to more than one side. Hyper and hypo aren't good and yet hyper and hypo spend their days arguing with each other and polishing the pokeweed berries and jimsonweed to prove how lovely their fruit is.
And then they pat each other on the back.
But, one thing for sure, the regulars are enjoying this post, so we all keep getting Dueling Banjos.
It is always an interesting question, at what point do you say you cannot have fellowship with people because the differences are too great. For some brethren people it is actually all non-brethren.
I would agree we believe in the same name of Jesus, but quite who he was and what he achieved and what we are are different. The movement out of which you speak has evolved and changed its beliefs over time, because it is not sure of its foundations. Latter rain theology, and Hagin are often respected characters.
In our discussions it is obvious the role of the Holy Spirit, ones conscience, morality, the authority of scripture, what it means to follow Jesus, how to relate in a church, how to respect teachers or authority. Now at each level things are different. Some describe deprogramming themselves from religion. If I talk about the centrality of love, overcoming sin through the cross, blank stares come back. If I say we do not have command authority, we are not "little gods", there is not territorial spirits, christians are not possessed along with the having the Holy Spirit in them, we are not a mystical creation at new birth with a perfect, pure, righteous nature which we just have to realise then I am wrong.
If at every doctrinal level your constructs are different to traditional theology and christian teaching, it is no longer an evangelical christian faith. An indication of this is your insistance to change the meaning of simple core words.
Now I am happy to converse with people in regards to their faith and ideas, but continually to suggest these differences are anything other than a different view of faith is disingenuous. It is not possible to say you are brothers and sisters in Christ, when your Christ is not mine.
And the goal of reaching heaven is a common goal of most religions, it does not make them the same.
Now emotionally I love engaging with people, but that does not make either side wrong.
Now again the problem of your group is it is made up of "spirit" led individuals who use their hearts to decide who and what is motivating things. The idea that we could make mistakes or get upset from emotional reasons does not cross their minds.
I would agree we believe in the same name of Jesus, but quite who he was and what he achieved and what we are are different. The movement out of which you speak has evolved and changed its beliefs over time, because it is not sure of its foundations. Latter rain theology, and Hagin are often respected characters.
In our discussions it is obvious the role of the Holy Spirit, ones conscience, morality, the authority of scripture, what it means to follow Jesus, how to relate in a church, how to respect teachers or authority. Now at each level things are different. Some describe deprogramming themselves from religion. If I talk about the centrality of love, overcoming sin through the cross, blank stares come back. If I say we do not have command authority, we are not "little gods", there is not territorial spirits, christians are not possessed along with the having the Holy Spirit in them, we are not a mystical creation at new birth with a perfect, pure, righteous nature which we just have to realise then I am wrong.
If at every doctrinal level your constructs are different to traditional theology and christian teaching, it is no longer an evangelical christian faith. An indication of this is your insistance to change the meaning of simple core words.
Now I am happy to converse with people in regards to their faith and ideas, but continually to suggest these differences are anything other than a different view of faith is disingenuous. It is not possible to say you are brothers and sisters in Christ, when your Christ is not mine.
And the goal of reaching heaven is a common goal of most religions, it does not make them the same.
Now emotionally I love engaging with people, but that does not make either side wrong.
Now again the problem of your group is it is made up of "spirit" led individuals who use their hearts to decide who and what is motivating things. The idea that we could make mistakes or get upset from emotional reasons does not cross their minds.