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Yep, we have people - "futurologists" effectively claiming God can't tell time.
They claim when God through his prophets and apostles made time statements he didn't mean what he said and these statements can be elasticized into what ever theology suits your futuristic fulfillment can dream up...
(Rev 1:1 KJV) The Revelation of Jesus Christ...to show unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass
(Rev 1:3 KJV) .........for the time is at hand.
(Rev 22:6 KJV) ....to show unto his servants the things which must shortly be done.
(Rev 22:10 KJV)...........Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book - for the time is at hand.
(Phil 4:5 KJV) Let your moderation be known unto all men. The Lord is at hand.
(1 Pet 4:7 KJV) But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer.
(Rom 13:12 KJV) The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light.
(1 Cor 10:11 KJV) Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world (ages) are come.
(James 5:9 KJV) Grudge not one against another, brethren, lest ye be condemned: behold, the judge standeth before the door.
We can see in the above verses some of the imminent time statements made by the inspired apostles - they are writing to humans who would read those time statements in their actual sense.
But the "futurologist" have to ignore how human beings understand time statements and play hanky panky with language.
Not only that, they are inferring that these inspired apostolic writers are false prophets warning of imminencey where none existed.
Christ warned about false prophets arising:
(Mat 24:11 KJV) And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
Now if the apostles statements of "at hand", "must shortly come to pass", "upon whom the ends of the world (ages) are come come" did not actually come to pass then they are found to be of the false prophets Jesus warned about.
Hardly likely, the only conclusion left is that those denying the imminencey of the apostles statements are at best not understanding those statements and at worst are false prophets themselves.
Jesus told his disciples that the gospel would be preached in all the world and the end would come:
(Mat 24:14 KJV) And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
Unless the apostles at best misunderstood Jesus, or worst were liars, and uninspired false prophets we see that the gospel was preached to the world and every creature under heaven:
(Col 1:23 KJV) If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister.
(Rom 10:18 KJV) But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.
1 Pet 4:17 (Youngs Literal) because it is the time of the beginning of the judgment from the house of God, and if first from us, what the end of those disobedient to the good news of God?
(Phil 4:5 KJV) Let your moderation be known unto all men. The Lord is at hand.
The apostles were claiming the end of the age was upon THEM - that the judge stood at the door, that the gospel had been preached as Jesus said "in all the world" and then the end would come - was Jesus wrong, were the apostles confused? - I don't think so.
Futurist "theologians" have to misread, misinterpret, bend over backwards, make words mean nothing and massage the text to make their bogus "theology" work.
Any theology that is not able to correctly define the whor.e of Babylon as 1st century apostate Jerusalem/Israel is going to be looking in futility for a future fulfillment of that in the book of revelation.
Jesus told his apostles (HIS APOSTLES) not readers of the bible 1980 + years later that they would see the signs and know it is at the door:
(Mat 24:33 KJV) So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
(Mat 24:34 KJV) Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
And we know which generation Jesus was speaking to when he made the above statement not some future generation because he told his hearers that some of them would not die before they saw it:
(Mat 16:28 KJV) Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
James claimed it was "at the door":
(James 5:9 KJV) Grudge not one against another, brethren, lest ye be condemned: behold, the judge standeth before the door.
Amazing how James is echoing Jesus' words - "know that it is near, even at the doors"
Yet another bogus claim that the futurologists make is that Jesus did not know when the end would come:
(Mark 13:32 KJV) But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
This seems like a valid argument, but then they ignore the fact in the book of revelation that the Father is revealing the time to Jesus "which God gave unto him" and Jesus is revealing it to John.
And of course Jesus is saying he did not know the exact time while still in his flesh prior to his crucifixion.
To claim that Jesus would not know after his death is bogus. Not only that to claim the apostles could not know the time is to deny what Jesus told them:
(John 14:26 KJV) But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things.....
All things would most certainly include the timing of the end of the age and Christ's parousia - how do we know that" - it's written all over the NT for those with eyes that don't peer at the pages through the lens of futurist "theology".
Here is God the father revealing the time to Jesus and then to John:
(Rev 1:1 KJV) The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to show unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
A more literal rendition from Strongs:
Rev 1:1 A revelation of Jesus Christ, that God gave to him, to shew to his servants what things it behoveth to come to pass quickly; and he did signify it, having sent through his messenger to his servant John.
Now these futurologists love to play with that word "quickly" or "swiftly" as if it means when the revelation was about to happen some time in the future it will be happening quickly or swiftly rather than soon after John wrote.
But this type of "reasoning" to justify their fawlty "theology" is smoke and mirrors as we see that John states the time is at hand:
(Rev 1:3 KJV) Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.
In Young's literal:
Rev 1:3 Happy is he who is reading, and those hearing, the words of the prophecy, and keeping the things written in it -- for the time is nigh!
I'll take Jesus' and the apostles words over some desperate looking futurist "theology" that ignores context and makes false prophets out of the apostles.
They claim when God through his prophets and apostles made time statements he didn't mean what he said and these statements can be elasticized into what ever theology suits your futuristic fulfillment can dream up...
(Rev 1:1 KJV) The Revelation of Jesus Christ...to show unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass
(Rev 1:3 KJV) .........for the time is at hand.
(Rev 22:6 KJV) ....to show unto his servants the things which must shortly be done.
(Rev 22:10 KJV)...........Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book - for the time is at hand.
(Phil 4:5 KJV) Let your moderation be known unto all men. The Lord is at hand.
(1 Pet 4:7 KJV) But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer.
(Rom 13:12 KJV) The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light.
(1 Cor 10:11 KJV) Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world (ages) are come.
(James 5:9 KJV) Grudge not one against another, brethren, lest ye be condemned: behold, the judge standeth before the door.
We can see in the above verses some of the imminent time statements made by the inspired apostles - they are writing to humans who would read those time statements in their actual sense.
But the "futurologist" have to ignore how human beings understand time statements and play hanky panky with language.
Not only that, they are inferring that these inspired apostolic writers are false prophets warning of imminencey where none existed.
Christ warned about false prophets arising:
(Mat 24:11 KJV) And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
Now if the apostles statements of "at hand", "must shortly come to pass", "upon whom the ends of the world (ages) are come come" did not actually come to pass then they are found to be of the false prophets Jesus warned about.
Hardly likely, the only conclusion left is that those denying the imminencey of the apostles statements are at best not understanding those statements and at worst are false prophets themselves.
Jesus told his disciples that the gospel would be preached in all the world and the end would come:
(Mat 24:14 KJV) And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
Unless the apostles at best misunderstood Jesus, or worst were liars, and uninspired false prophets we see that the gospel was preached to the world and every creature under heaven:
(Col 1:23 KJV) If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister.
(Rom 10:18 KJV) But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.
1 Pet 4:17 (Youngs Literal) because it is the time of the beginning of the judgment from the house of God, and if first from us, what the end of those disobedient to the good news of God?
(Phil 4:5 KJV) Let your moderation be known unto all men. The Lord is at hand.
The apostles were claiming the end of the age was upon THEM - that the judge stood at the door, that the gospel had been preached as Jesus said "in all the world" and then the end would come - was Jesus wrong, were the apostles confused? - I don't think so.
Futurist "theologians" have to misread, misinterpret, bend over backwards, make words mean nothing and massage the text to make their bogus "theology" work.
Any theology that is not able to correctly define the whor.e of Babylon as 1st century apostate Jerusalem/Israel is going to be looking in futility for a future fulfillment of that in the book of revelation.
Jesus told his apostles (HIS APOSTLES) not readers of the bible 1980 + years later that they would see the signs and know it is at the door:
(Mat 24:33 KJV) So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
(Mat 24:34 KJV) Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
And we know which generation Jesus was speaking to when he made the above statement not some future generation because he told his hearers that some of them would not die before they saw it:
(Mat 16:28 KJV) Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
James claimed it was "at the door":
(James 5:9 KJV) Grudge not one against another, brethren, lest ye be condemned: behold, the judge standeth before the door.
Amazing how James is echoing Jesus' words - "know that it is near, even at the doors"
Yet another bogus claim that the futurologists make is that Jesus did not know when the end would come:
(Mark 13:32 KJV) But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
This seems like a valid argument, but then they ignore the fact in the book of revelation that the Father is revealing the time to Jesus "which God gave unto him" and Jesus is revealing it to John.
And of course Jesus is saying he did not know the exact time while still in his flesh prior to his crucifixion.
To claim that Jesus would not know after his death is bogus. Not only that to claim the apostles could not know the time is to deny what Jesus told them:
(John 14:26 KJV) But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things.....
All things would most certainly include the timing of the end of the age and Christ's parousia - how do we know that" - it's written all over the NT for those with eyes that don't peer at the pages through the lens of futurist "theology".
Here is God the father revealing the time to Jesus and then to John:
(Rev 1:1 KJV) The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to show unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
A more literal rendition from Strongs:
Rev 1:1 A revelation of Jesus Christ, that God gave to him, to shew to his servants what things it behoveth to come to pass quickly; and he did signify it, having sent through his messenger to his servant John.
Now these futurologists love to play with that word "quickly" or "swiftly" as if it means when the revelation was about to happen some time in the future it will be happening quickly or swiftly rather than soon after John wrote.
But this type of "reasoning" to justify their fawlty "theology" is smoke and mirrors as we see that John states the time is at hand:
(Rev 1:3 KJV) Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.
In Young's literal:
Rev 1:3 Happy is he who is reading, and those hearing, the words of the prophecy, and keeping the things written in it -- for the time is nigh!
I'll take Jesus' and the apostles words over some desperate looking futurist "theology" that ignores context and makes false prophets out of the apostles.