Adam not deceived, no could he be.

[serpentslayer]

I wish people would read enough of the Word to understand that
Adam was not deceived by satan, nor did satan trick him in some way,
because Adam knew the Truth (the Commandment), having heard it
from the LORD GOD directly. Eve, however, was not aroung when the
LORD GOD told Adam the Commandment. She had to believe the
words of someone else.

Fundamental Biblical Principle: One who knows and believes in a
Truth (the WORD of GOD) can never be deceived about it, but they
may reject the TRUTH without justification.

Fact: Eve was deceived (her testimony is the prooof - Gen 3:2-3);
therefore, she could not have known the absolute TRUTH. As such,
Adam is the only one to blame. He is the one who told her what she
spoke as being the Commandment. but which was TRUTH and LIE
together!

 

[Shilo]

Eve added to what Adam told her and that opened the door for the snare of Satan to deceive her. We should never add to or take away from what God has told us. Adam was formed first so he had authority over Eve. For the woman was made for the man not the man for the woman. It was Eve Who did not follow the instruction given to her from her husband. Adam was not deceived but he also did not use his authority over Eve but followed her voice. They are both at fault; Adam was told to guard the garden and Eve added to the word. They both did not follow the line of authority.

 

[serpentslayer]

Eve added to what Adam told her and that opened the door for the snare of Satan to deceive her. We should never add to or take away from what God has told us. Adam was formed first so he had authority over Eve. For the woman was made for the man not the man for the woman. It was Eve Who did not follow the instruction given to her from her husband. Adam was not deceived but he also did not use his authority over Eve but followed her voice. They are both at fault; Adam was told to guard the garden and Eve added to the word. They both did not follow the line of authority.

Shilo,
If Eve had added to the Commandment, she would have been the
first one to lie (change the truth); however, by JN8:44, the devil told
the first lie; therefore, Eve's speaking untruth (don't touch) is not
something she aded, but somethjing someone else added and told to
her. She believed what she was told, and was deceived by it.

 

[Shilo]

Shilo,
If Eve had added to the Commandment, she would have been the
first one to lie (change the truth); however, by JN8:44, the devil told
the first lie; therefore, Eve's speaking untruth (don't touch) is not
something she aded, but somethjing someone else added and told to
her. She believed what she was told, and was deceived by it.

Then you are saying that Adam told Eve the lie and she in turn told Satan. Would that not make Adam the one who lied first not Satan. God does not say Adam told a lie but that he did as his wife said.

 

[mpaper345]

1Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
2And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: 3But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

4And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
5For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
6And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat(Genesis 3:1-6).


Do not touch the tree does not seem to make a difference,for Satan only mentioned eating of the tree,but Eve might of been pointing out we are to not have anything to do with that tree.It would seem like if they cannot eat of it,what business would they have touching the tree and being around it.They should not be curious about it at all.


It seems like Eve knew the commandment before Satan tempted her.



Did Eve get her instructions from Adam,or did God repeat it to her,for she said,God said we may not touch it,or eat of it.



Satan did not tempt her and say Adam was wrong in his telling you the commandment,but Satan said God gave you a commandment not to eat of the tree because He does not want you to be like Him,and Eve let the temptation of pride get to her and she lusted after that tree,but who knows how long she thought about it first.


It looks like Eve was lifted up in pride to want to be more than her current state.It seems like she knew the commandment but she was tempted like people are tempted every day.


Satan used the woman to get to Adam and tempt him,and Adam listened to his wife above God.


First Satan tempted Eve by casting doubt in to her mind about what God said,but that did not work with Eve,and Eve told him the commandment,and it seems like Eve heeded to it to obey it,so then Satan did not cast doubt in her mind about the commandment,seeing that Eve understood the commandment and obeyed it,but tempted her with pride that she would be like God,be better than her current state,and Eve got lifted up in pride and lust and ate of the tree.


Satan tried to tempt her by saying did God really say that,but it did not work with Eve,for Eve told Satan the commandment,and understood the commandment and obeyed it,and the only way Satan could tempt her is to get her lifted up in pride and lust by telling her that she would be like God,be better than her current state,a temptation that she could of never known,that she could be like God,unless it was told her.


After Eve did not falter when Satan said did God really say that,Satan then did not deny what God said,and did not try to tempt Eve that God did not say that,for he could not get her with that,but tempted her to be lifted up in pride,which Eve fell for that.



If Satan never tempted Eve that she could be like God,it would seem like Eve would of never sinned,because she would of never thought she could be like God unless somebody told her,which Adam would of not thought of it either.


It seems like Eve knew the commandment and obeyed it,whether she heard it from Adam or God,not having a desire to eat of that tree,until Satan tempted her that she could be like God,lifted up in pride.


It seems like a sin of being lifted up in pride to be like God,and not that Eve misunderstood the commandment or did not believe it.

 

[Shilo]

1Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
2And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: 3But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

4And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
5For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
6And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat(Genesis 3:1-6).


Do not touch the tree does not seem to make a difference,for Satan only mentioned eating of the tree,but Eve might of been pointing out we are to not have anything to do with that tree.It would seem like if they cannot eat of it,what business would they have touching the tree and being around it.They should not be curious about it at all.


It seems like Eve knew the commandment before Satan tempted her.



Did Eve get her instructions from Adam,or did God repeat it to her,for she said,God said we may not touch it,or eat of it.



Satan did not tempt her and say Adam was wrong in his telling you the commandment,but Satan said God gave you a commandment not to eat of the tree because He does not want you to be like Him,and Eve let the temptation of pride get to her and she lusted after that tree,but who knows how long she thought about it first.


It looks like Eve was lifted up in pride to want to be more than her current state.It seems like she knew the commandment but she was tempted like people are tempted every day.


Satan used the woman to get to Adam and tempt him,and Adam listened to his wife above God.


First Satan tempted Eve by casting doubt in to her mind about what God said,but that did not work with Eve,and Eve told him the commandment,and it seems like Eve heeded to it to obey it,so then Satan did not cast doubt in her mind about the commandment,seeing that Eve understood the commandment and obeyed it,but tempted her with pride that she would be like God,be better than her current state,and Eve got lifted up in pride and lust and ate of the tree.


Satan tried to tempt her by saying did God really say that,but it did not work with Eve,for Eve told Satan the commandment,and understood the commandment and obeyed it,and the only way Satan could tempt her is to get her lifted up in pride and lust by telling her that she would be like God,be better than her current state,a temptation that she could of never known,that she could be like God,unless it was told her.


After Eve did not falter when Satan said did God really say that,Satan then did not deny what God said,and did not try to tempt Eve that God did not say that,for he could not get her with that,but tempted her to be lifted up in pride,which Eve fell for that.



If Satan never tempted Eve that she could be like God,it would seem like Eve would of never sinned,because she would of never thought she could be like God unless somebody told her,which Adam would of not thought of it either.


It seems like Eve knew the commandment and obeyed it,whether she heard it from Adam or God,not having a desire to eat of that tree,until Satan tempted her that she could be like God,lifted up in pride.


It seems like a sin of being lifted up in pride to be like God,and not that Eve misunderstood the commandment or did not believe it.

yes, this does look right, but what about Adam?

And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner 1tim 2:14

Adam was right there with his wife and was not deceived. He did not stop her knowing they would die. The woman did not understand all that was going on or she would not be deceived but Adam did. It does say she was deceived.

 

[Elizabeth619]

I wish people would read enough of the Word to understand that
Adam was not deceived by satan, nor did satan trick him in some way,
because Adam knew the Truth (the Commandment), having heard it
from the LORD GOD directly. Eve, however, was not aroung when the
LORD GOD told Adam the Commandment. She had to believe the
words of someone else.

Fundamental Biblical Principle: One who knows and believes in a
Truth (the WORD of GOD) can never be deceived about it, but they
may reject the TRUTH without justification.

Fact: Eve was deceived (her testimony is the prooof - Gen 3:2-3);
therefore, she could not have known the absolute TRUTH. As such,
Adam is the only one to blame. He is the one who told her what she
spoke as being the Commandment. but which was TRUTH and LIE
together!

What bible do you read from?

 

[serpentslayer]

If we accept what GOD said is the TRUTH, and not what men say, we see a different interpretation of scripture. But men are liars (ROM 3:4),
and hve twisted the TRUTH since the Beginning.
What i am saying is that the only way Eve could say that touching the fruit was unlawful is that it is what she was told, which is a lie. Adam was told the TRUTH and was to tell it to Eve; but, he lied instead.
Men say it was the devil who deceived Eve, and they are right; but, what they do not realize is that Adam is the Devil, and we are all his
children except Jesus, because GOD is HIS Father.

Fact: Angel greation is not in GEN 1, but we see a man who was created in the image and likeness of GOD, which is best described by
Ez 1:26-28. ANd we see that only Adam was created and present when the LORD GOD spoke to himthe Commandment. As such, he is
the only one who could have deceived Eve. This is a revelation, and i
do not mean to boast about it, just speak the truth.

I read the KJV (1611).

 

[duewell]

genesis kjv 2:And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

so we see here that eve heard it herself from God to not eat from the tree. just as adam had. that is absolute truth. your claim that eve was told a lie is false, she heard it herself from God, not adam. your claim that adam could not be deceived is false. any claim that it was adam who deceived eve is false. anyone who seeks to assign blame on anyone other than themselves for their sin is false. any claim that adam is the devil is false. adam and eve were the last two creations by God. any claim that angels were not present before humans is false.
the quote of ez 1 26-28 and the visions it is describing are false. your claim that this is a revelation is false. there is nothing to boast about in your ignorance. you do not speak the truth for there is no truth in you.

this is by far one of the worst post i have ever read on this sight. it seeks to remove blame from the devil. it claims to use the bible and personal revelation to remove the devil from having sinned in the garden or even actually being in the garden during the fall. it claims that God was wrong, as God gave out punishment to those who sinned in the garden. did God unjustly punish an angel who had not even been created yet and had not sinned by tempting eve?

Duewell
the rainbow connection

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Shilo,
If Eve had added to the Commandment, she would have been the
first one to lie (change the truth); however, by JN8:44, the devil told
the first lie; therefore, Eve's speaking untruth (don't touch) is not
something she aded, but somethjing someone else added and told to
her. She believed what she was told, and was deceived by it.

if someone else told her a lie, than that someone else sinned first. and the penalty of death would have imposed earlier than when they ate of this fruit. The facts do not support your theory.

Eve was decieved. she was tricked. because she fell for the lie. Adam was not decieved, he knew what he was doing (the first man to chose a woman over God's commands)

yet both died. thus both sinned. deception is not an excuse to sin,

 

[serpentslayer]

if someone else told her a lie, than that someone else sinned first. and the penalty of death would have imposed earlier than when they ate of this fruit. The facts do not support your theory.

Eve was decieved. she was tricked. because she fell for the lie. Adam was not decieved, he knew what he was doing (the first man to chose a woman over God's commands)

yet both died. thus both sinned. deception is not an excuse to sin,

As it is written, where no law is, there is no sin; therefore, since there was no law against lying, how
then could GOD judge the first liar? He (GOD) gave no commandment about lying or any other 'sinful'
act, only about eating the fruit from the trees in the Garden.

Eve was deceived by subtlety accordin to scripture, but you can not find this subtlety in GEN 3, except
you first interpret Eve's response to the serpent's question. Her response is the proof she was already
deceived, even before that day. Can you not see that the commanmdent she quoted GOD as having
said is one that is quite perverted in comparison to what the LORD GOD told Adam in GEN 2? Not only
did she add the restriction they could not touch the forbidden fruit, but she neglected to name the
forbidden tree and misreferenced it as being the only tree in the center of the Garden, when in fact
there are two. Do you not understand that the most subtle way to deceive a person into believing a
lie is to tell them that lie the first time the hear of that 'truth'. I submit to you that had Adam told Eve
the absolute Truth - Don't eat, she could have never been deceived about it (based on biblical
principe).

Adam did not chose Eve over GOD, he chose himself over GOD and used Eve to test GOD's Word.
Why else did he stand there next to Eve when she picked and ate the forbidden fruit, but made no
attempt to stop her (GEn 3:7)? Do you call this LOVE (self sacrifice)?

 

[Shilo]

From what I have read in the Hebrew way of thinking, When you hear the voice of a godly wife's it is because there is a disagreement between them and she has stepped out of the authority of her Husband. Like Abraham and sarah over hagar.

 

[serpentslayer]

From what I have read in the Hebrew way of thinking, When you hear the voice of a godly wife's it is because there is a disagreement between them and she has stepped out of the authority of her Husband. Like Abraham and sarah over hagar.

So, you think Eve just made it up - Don't Touch? Eve was deceived,
she wasn't trying to deceive anyone. She spoke what she was told was
the Truth (Commandment), which was part Truth (Don't eat), part lie
(don't touch), and abiguous (no name) and confusing (which tree in
the center?). No, the fact is she was already deceived and she didn't
just naively listen to some snake and risk death on his say-so.

 

[CanadaNZ]

Adam's sin was that he stood by passively and let Eve be deceived and then secondly taking the fruit.

 

[serpentslayer]

Adam's sin was that he first thought GOD could lie, then he lied to his
wife in order to get her to eat the forbidden fruit first, then, after she
ate but did not die, he ate also. So, women, submit to your husbands
but beware of his intentions!

 

[AnandaHya]

Serpentslayer.

ADAM is NOT the SERPENT in the garden!

no matter how much you proclaim it its still a lie and a delusion.

God would not tell us to EVER submit to the Serpent but He tells us to submit to our husbands.

Don't know why you enjoy drinking and sharing this posionous lie and deception.

Revelation 12:9
So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

now what happened to ADAM?

Genesis 3
17 Then to Adam He said, “Because you have heeded the voice of your wife, and have eaten from the tree of which I commanded you, saying, ‘You shall not eat of it’:
“ Cursed is the ground for your sake;
In toil you shall eat of it
All the days of your life.

18 Both thorns and thistles it shall bring forth for you,
And you shall eat the herb of the field.

19 In the sweat of your face you shall eat bread
Till you return to the ground,
For out of it you were taken;
For dust you are,
And to dust you shall return.”

why is Adam's curse different then the serpent's?

14 So the LORD God said to the serpent:
“ Because you have done this,
You are cursed more than all cattle,
And more than every beast of the field;
On your belly you shall go,
And you shall eat dust
All the days of your life.
15 And I will put enmity
Between you and the woman,
And between your seed and her Seed;
He shall bruise your head,
And you shall bruise His heel.”

 

[lil_christian]

Genesis 3

The Fall of Man

1 Now the serpent was more crafty than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said to the woman, “Indeed, has God said, ‘You shall not eat from any tree of the garden’?” 2 The woman said to the serpent, “From the fruit of the trees of the garden we may eat; 3 but from the fruit of the tree which is in the middle of the garden, God has said, ‘You shall not eat from it or touch it, or you will die.’” 4 The serpent said to the woman, “You surely will not die! 5 For God knows that in the day you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” 6 When the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was desirable to make one wise, she took from its fruit and ate; and she gave also to her husband with her, and he ate. 7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves loin coverings. 8 They heard the sound of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and the man and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God among the trees of the garden. 9 Then the LORD God called to the man, and said to him, “Where are you?” 10 He said, “I heard the sound of You in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; so I hid myself.” 11 And He said, “Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree of which I commanded you not to eat?” 12 The man said, “The woman whom You gave to be with me, she gave me from the tree, and I ate.” 13 Then the LORD God said to the woman, “What is this you have done?” And the woman said, “The serpent deceived me, and I ate.” 14 The LORD God said to the serpent,
“Because you have done this,
Cursed are you more than all cattle,
And more than every beast of the field;
On your belly you will go,
And dust you will eat
All the days of your life;
15 And I will put enmity
Between you and the woman,
And between your seed and her seed;
He shall bruise you on the head,
And you shall bruise him on the heel.”
16 To the woman He said,
“I will greatly multiply
Your pain in childbirth,
In pain you will bring forth children;
Yet your desire will be for your husband,
And he will rule over you.”
17 Then to Adam He said, “Because you have listened to the voice of your wife, and have eaten from the tree about which I commanded you, saying, ‘You shall not eat from it’;
Cursed is the ground because of you;
In toil you will eat of it
All the days of your life.
18 “Both thorns and thistles it shall grow for you;
And you will eat the plants of the field;
19 By the sweat of your face
You will eat bread,
Till you return to the ground,
Because from it you were taken;
For you are dust,
And to dust you shall return.”
20 Now the man called his wife’s name Eve, because she was the mother of all the living. 21 The LORD God made garments of skin for Adam and his wife, and clothed them.
22 Then the LORD God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of Us, knowing good and evil; and now, he might stretch out his hand, and take also from the tree of life, and eat, and live forever”— 23 therefore the LORD God sent him out from the garden of Eden, to cultivate the ground from which he was taken. 24 So He drove the man out; and at the east of the garden of Eden He stationed the cherubim and the flaming sword which turned every direction to guard the way to the tree of life.





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See? DECEPTION. That's what Satan's profession is! Deception! Lies! And He succeeded the very first time in the Garden of Eden. I'm not saying that it's alll Satan's fault and that Eve didn't have any fault in her. Because her eating the fruit was of her own doing. But Satan did lure her in.