Can a Gay person be a True Christian?
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A true Christian is someone who is putting to death his/her own selfish lifestyle(whatever that may be) and take pride only in the love of God, the redemptive blood of Jesus, and the guidance of the Holy Spirit.
"Can a person who is Gay and has accepted Jesus as their Lord and Savior be a True Christian????"
Accepting Jesus as their Lord and Savior means that he/she is a true Christian. However, Christians, as far as I know, can see only see through our carnal eyes, but God is the only one Who can really tell the hearts of men.
Therefore, I agree with RobbyEarl, "let him who is without sin cast the first stone."
"Can a person who is Gay and has accepted Jesus as their Lord and Savior be a True Christian????"
Accepting Jesus as their Lord and Savior means that he/she is a true Christian. However, Christians, as far as I know, can see only see through our carnal eyes, but God is the only one Who can really tell the hearts of men.
Therefore, I agree with RobbyEarl, "let him who is without sin cast the first stone."
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That is a cop out. Is that what John the Baptist said to the king? No,he called him out on his sin. The disciples preached "repent for the kingdom is at hand". They never said "well you sin and I sin so we're all good". No we are to mature in Christ we are not to be continually living like the world. We are a new creation. We're telling people its ok to stay stuck in sin. Did God get out of the deliverance business? Did I miss it? People can't give up alcohol, drugs, adultery,homosexuality? Then God is no God at all according to that belief. What a weak God we preach these days.
Matthew 10:14 (KJV)
And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart
out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.
Luke 9:5 (KJV)
And whosoever will not receive you, when ye go out of that city, shake off
the very dust from your feet for a testimony against them.
Mark 6:11 (KJV)
And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear you, when ye depart thence, shake off
the dust under your feet for a testimony against them. Verily I say unto you, It shall be
more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.
Luke 10:11 (KJV)
Even the very dust of your city, which cleaveth on us, we do wipe off against you:
notwithstanding be ye sure of this, that the kingdom of God is come nigh unto you.
And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart
out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.
Luke 9:5 (KJV)
And whosoever will not receive you, when ye go out of that city, shake off
the very dust from your feet for a testimony against them.
Mark 6:11 (KJV)
And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear you, when ye depart thence, shake off
the dust under your feet for a testimony against them. Verily I say unto you, It shall be
more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.
Luke 10:11 (KJV)
Even the very dust of your city, which cleaveth on us, we do wipe off against you:
notwithstanding be ye sure of this, that the kingdom of God is come nigh unto you.
OK I'm curious, what sin are we allowed to hold back when we seek salvation from the Lord? Are we allowed a pet sin or two or three?
The urgency conveyed by the Philippian jailer indicates that he wanted saved and was willing to do what ever the apostles asked of him.
It is far too true that many attempt to take back sins and value them above the Lord. Our walk with Christ is to be a pure as our conversion to Christ. We lose as it were our first love.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
The urgency conveyed by the Philippian jailer indicates that he wanted saved and was willing to do what ever the apostles asked of him.
It is far too true that many attempt to take back sins and value them above the Lord. Our walk with Christ is to be a pure as our conversion to Christ. We lose as it were our first love.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
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The New Covenant is composed of 2 main terms, namely, 1) Faith in Christ and 2) Repentance. You won't be saved without one or the other. All Satan's tactics are to attack either of these 2.
So to say that,
"You are gay and you sinned such that you have no hope to be saved" is to attack 1) by neglecting the 2).
On the other hand to say that,
"Gay is ok because all of us are sinners" is to attack 2). Legalization of a sin is to fall short of repentance.
That said, legalization of a sin inside our Church as a whole can be a candidate of the "abomination causing desolation".
Matthew 24:15-16 (NIV)
So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’ spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand— then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.
So it's not about a sin, it's all about the legalization of a sin.
So to say that,
"You are gay and you sinned such that you have no hope to be saved" is to attack 1) by neglecting the 2).
On the other hand to say that,
"Gay is ok because all of us are sinners" is to attack 2). Legalization of a sin is to fall short of repentance.
That said, legalization of a sin inside our Church as a whole can be a candidate of the "abomination causing desolation".
Matthew 24:15-16 (NIV)
So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’ spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand— then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.
So it's not about a sin, it's all about the legalization of a sin.
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I believe[not defending him or agreeing here] gr8grace is trying to say that at the moment we confess with our mouths the Lord Jesus and believe in our heart that God raised him of the dead and we are born again, we do not lay down everything, we simply exercise our faith and accept salvation by grace.
He still has yet to tell me at what point we should expect to see the evidence of salvation and continues to seem to suggest there is not any and those that look for fruit of repentance are just religious bigots that should concentrate on other things, because that is not mentioned anywhere in the Bible...
He still has yet to tell me at what point we should expect to see the evidence of salvation and continues to seem to suggest there is not any and those that look for fruit of repentance are just religious bigots that should concentrate on other things, because that is not mentioned anywhere in the Bible...
When a person is led of the Holy Spirit to seek salvation from Christ do they give a measured plea for salvation or do they give everything and hold back nothing? Does the sinner pray Lord forgive me my sin except for that one sin I cannot give up?
It is my contention that when a person is under Holy Spirit conviction about their sin they desire forgiveness of all their sin not just some of their sin. Here is my example: Lord Jesus I'm a dirty rotten sinner and I cannot save myself. Please save me Lord Jesus I know I deserve eternal condemnation but Your word tells me You will for give me and give me eternal life. Now Jesus I really love money so please save me but allow me to continue to seek after monetary wealth.
Think that will result on a conversion to Christ or not?
John 16:7 ¶ Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;
10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;
11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.
12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
It is my contention that when a person is under Holy Spirit conviction about their sin they desire forgiveness of all their sin not just some of their sin. Here is my example: Lord Jesus I'm a dirty rotten sinner and I cannot save myself. Please save me Lord Jesus I know I deserve eternal condemnation but Your word tells me You will for give me and give me eternal life. Now Jesus I really love money so please save me but allow me to continue to seek after monetary wealth.
Think that will result on a conversion to Christ or not?
John 16:7 ¶ Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;
10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;
11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.
12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
For all the world to see:
Recently a moderator on CC overstepped their authority by being openly demeaning to a fellow member here and provoking them into an argument, then threatening them with bannishment. I was very taken back by their disrespectful behavior. Believe me when I tell you, there was a complete and total lack of respect on the part of said moderator.
The other day CS1 quoted me and shared his opposing view and I responded to him in an aggressive, somewhat disrespectful manner because at that moment I thought he was the moderator I speak of in the first paragraph. The following day I realized he was not the moderator in question and I wrote to him apologizing for my mistake and my behavior. He was most gracious, and because his Christian walk is worthy of praise, I want to take the time to thank CS1 for his grace, understanding and hard work here on CC.
Blessings always!
Recently a moderator on CC overstepped their authority by being openly demeaning to a fellow member here and provoking them into an argument, then threatening them with bannishment. I was very taken back by their disrespectful behavior. Believe me when I tell you, there was a complete and total lack of respect on the part of said moderator.
The other day CS1 quoted me and shared his opposing view and I responded to him in an aggressive, somewhat disrespectful manner because at that moment I thought he was the moderator I speak of in the first paragraph. The following day I realized he was not the moderator in question and I wrote to him apologizing for my mistake and my behavior. He was most gracious, and because his Christian walk is worthy of praise, I want to take the time to thank CS1 for his grace, understanding and hard work here on CC.
Blessings always!
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For all the world to see:
Recently a moderator on CC overstepped their authority by being openly demeaning to a fellow member here and provoking them into an argument, then threatening them with bannishment. I was very taken back by their disrespectful behavior. Believe me when I tell you, there was a complete and total lack of respect on the part of said moderator.
The other day CS1 quoted me and shared his opposing view and I responded to him in an aggressive, somewhat disrespectful manner because at that moment I thought he was the moderator I speak of in the first paragraph. The following day I realized he was not the moderator in question and I wrote to him apologizing for my mistake and my behavior. He was most gracious, and because his Christian walk is worthy of praise, I want to take the time to thank CS1 for his grace, understanding and hard work here on CC.
Blessings always!
Recently a moderator on CC overstepped their authority by being openly demeaning to a fellow member here and provoking them into an argument, then threatening them with bannishment. I was very taken back by their disrespectful behavior. Believe me when I tell you, there was a complete and total lack of respect on the part of said moderator.
The other day CS1 quoted me and shared his opposing view and I responded to him in an aggressive, somewhat disrespectful manner because at that moment I thought he was the moderator I speak of in the first paragraph. The following day I realized he was not the moderator in question and I wrote to him apologizing for my mistake and my behavior. He was most gracious, and because his Christian walk is worthy of praise, I want to take the time to thank CS1 for his grace, understanding and hard work here on CC.
Blessings always!