Catholics and Confessions

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TheGrungeDiva

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Grandpa said:
And clearly what you meant in post #61 was that I was lying about the Catholic church and Catholic priests could indeed atone for the soul.
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No, I never intended that. It is not true. The Catholic Church does not teach that Catholic priests can atone for the soul, and it never has. Unlike you, I do not need to lie about anything.

Again, I can almost understand how you might have misunderstood it the first time. But after I have made it clear what I meant, for you to say, "No, you didn't mean that, you meant the other" is ... I don't know ... psychologists would have a field day with that. It's so important to you to cut down the Catholic Church that when something has been made as plain to you as the nose on your face, you still cannot admit it. I don't know how you can live in such denial. The only person you're fooling at this point is yourself.

So, let's take me completely out of this. Let's just talk about the teachings of the Catholic Church.

If you can state clearly what some of your beliefs about what the Catholic Church teaches, then we (myself and others) can discuss those teachings. If they are actual CC teachings, we can either defend the Catholic teaching or agree with you that the Church is wrong. If they are not actual CC teachings, we can correct you, and tell you what the CC actually teaches.

So far, you have not admitted to any errors, even though several have been made clear to you. Will you actually take this opportunity to come clean?
 
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Grandpa

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#122
TheGrungeDiva said:
No, I never intended that. It is not true. The Catholic Church does not teach that Catholic priests can atone for the soul, and it never has. Unlike you, I do not need to lie about anything.

Again, I can almost understand how you might have misunderstood it the first time. But after I have made it clear what I meant, for you to say, "No, you didn't mean that, you meant the other" is ... I don't know ... psychologists would have a field day with that. It's so important to you to cut down the Catholic Church that when something has been made as plain to you as the nose on your face, you still cannot admit it. I don't know how you can live in such denial. The only person you're fooling at this point is yourself.

So, let's take me completely out of this. Let's just talk about the teachings of the Catholic Church.

If you can state clearly what some of your beliefs about what the Catholic Church teaches, then we (myself and others) can discuss those teachings. If they are actual CC teachings, we can either defend the Catholic teaching or agree with you that the Church is wrong. If they are not actual CC teachings, we can correct you, and tell you what the CC actually teaches.

So far, you have not admitted to any errors, even though several have been made clear to you. Will you actually take this opportunity to come clean?
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When I told you that only Jesus could atone for the soul you called me a liar, and you stated that Catholic priests can do it. You have talked yourself in circles trying to show you didn't say that. How can I show you any error when you don't believe you commit any?

If you didn't intend to say that Catholic priests atone for the soul why did you call me a liar when I said only Jesus can atone for the soul?
 
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Scotth1960

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#123
#123
Grandpa said:
When I told you that only Jesus could atone for the soul you called me a liar, and you stated that Catholic priests can do it. You have talked yourself in circles trying to show you didn't say that. How can I show you any error when you don't believe you commit any?

If you didn't intend to say that Catholic priests atone for the soul why did you call me a liar when I said only Jesus can atone for the soul?
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Dear Grandpa, I think you and I would (will) agree that none of us is without sin, and therefore we don't have a right to try to stand in judgment of other people, because we are all like every other person: we have all sinned and fallen short of God's glory. That doesn't mean we can't have a mature, sober opinion regarding the situation in religions other than our own. Why is it that there are so many pedophile priests in Roman Catholicism? Do other non-Catholic religions have as frequent and as many child abuse cases as in the Roman Catholic priesthood? Is this a symptom of Catholicism's Augustinian nature?
To be fair, it may only be a small percentage of Catholic priests who are abusing children of both genders and also adult women. But no percentage of sexual abuse or pedophilia or any other perversion of sexuality is justifiable in any religion. For those of us who have committed sins of the flesh, it is sad we have had some perversions. That doesn't mean what's going on in Catholicism is right, and we have no right to speak out against it, because some of us, like me, have sinned sexually. I pray that God forgive me for past sins. But child abuse is not only sinful; it is criminal. The pope of Rome who is not removing priests and bishops who abuse their office is guilty of a great crime against Catholic children.
In Erie Scott Harrington
 
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woodl

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loveschild said:
  1. James 5:16
    Confess to one another therefore your faults (your slips, your false steps, your offenses, your sins) and pray [also] for one another, that you may be healed and restored [to a spiritual tone of mind and heart]. The earnest (heartfelt, continued) prayer of a righteous man makes tremendous power available [dynamic in its working].
    James 5:15-17 (in Context) James 5 (Whole Chapter)
  2. 1 John 1:9
    If we [freely] admit that we have sinned and confess our sins, He is faithful and just (true to His own nature and promises) and will forgive our sins [dismiss our lawlessness] and [continuously] cleanse us from all unrighteousness [everything not in conformity to His will in purpose, thought, and action].
    1 John 1:8-10 (in Context) 1 John 1 (Whole Chapter)
When we confess for one thing we are talking out loud to hear our own self. Admitting to our self and to God we did something wrong.<<<<<<<<<<lots of people never admit they do anything wrong and they never get better.

We don't go to some priest. Some have learned this and have tried to make a priest there intercessor to God. Jesus is our intercessor. No man is our go between to God. Jesus died for us and no one else did. His blood is important no mans.

The worst part of this lie is the person has been taught they don't go to God one on one.

Some have learned wrong so pray for them.

We can tell our pastor or our friends so they can help us in the situation and give us advice and pray for us. There is no rule in the bible telling us to go to a priest and he tell us we must do this and this or we are not forgiven. This is a very bad teaching.

There are also some who teach we must get up in front of the church and confess trying to make shame on a person. This is a lie too.
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I'm a Pentecostal holliness and I beleive that JESUS CHRIST is our intercesssor and if americans don't get back to the cross, judgement is coming to America and it's going to be bad
 
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TheGrungeDiva

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Grandpa said:
If you didn't intend to say that Catholic priests atone for the soul why did you call me a liar when I said only Jesus can atone for the soul?
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I called you a liar for claiming that the Catholic Church teaches anything other than that Jesus atones for our sins. I have stated this multiple times now. How many more times do I have to say it before you get it through your thick skull?

Honestly, Gramps, NO ONE believes you any more. I don't know if you're fooling yourself, but you're not fooling anyone else.
 
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TheGrungeDiva

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woodl said:
I'm a Pentecostal holliness and I beleive that JESUS CHRIST is our intercesssor and if americans don't get back to the cross, judgement is coming to America and it's going to be bad
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Hi woodl.

Are you aware that the Catholic Church also teaches that Jesus Christ is our intercessor?

And how, exactly, is one to get "back to the cross"? My understanding of Christ's sacrifice is that he did it so that we don't have to. If we all have to be crucified, then what was the point of Jesus?

(Note: the Catholic Church teaches, as do most Protestant churches, that Jesus' sacrifice atones for us. Am I understanding you correctly to hear that the Pentecostal Holiness Church does not teach that?)
 
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