Eve's Posterity

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"seed of the woman" not 'seed of the man'

The key element in understanding Jesus Christ's human origin is first
understanding Eve's human origin.

Her female reproductive system was made from Adam's body. Thus any
child that is biologically related to Eve's body is biologically related to Adam's
body-- whether natural-born or virgin-born makes not the slightest
difference.
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Luke 1:32 . . the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father
David:

It's not difficult to prove that Mary's little boy was David's biological
progeny.

Acts 13:22-23 . . "I have found David the son of Jesse, a man after mine
own heart, which shall fulfill all my will." Of this man's seed hath God,
according to His promise, raised unto Israel a savior, Jesus.

Rom 1:1-3 . . Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David
according to the flesh

The koiné Greek word for "seed" in those two passages is sperma (sper'
mah) which is a bit ambiguous because it can refer to spiritual progeny as
well as to biological progeny; for example:

Gal 3:29 . . If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed.

That seed is obviously spiritual progeny. But the seed in Acts 13:22-23 and
Rom 1:1-3 is biological progeny because David's seed is "according to the
flesh".

Now, a problem associated with David's throne is that it passes down thru
his son Solomon (1Kgs 1:28-35). Well, Solomon is in Joseph's genealogy
(Matt 1:6) and we know for sure that Joseph was not Jesus' biological father
(Matt 1:18-25. Luke 1:26-35). So then, how did Jesus get a legitimate place
in Solomon's genealogy if not by birth?

At Gen 48:5-7, Jacob adopted his own two biological grandsons Manasseh
and Ephraim; thus installing them in positions equal in rank, honor, and
power to his twelve original sons; thus legally increasing Jacob's total
number of sons from twelve to fourteen.

Jacob's motive for adopting Joseph's two sons wasn't for himself; it was in
sympathy for his beloved wife Rachel being cut off during her child-bearing
years, which subsequently prevented her from having any more children of
her own. Ephraim and Manasseh bring Rachel's legal total up to six: two of
her own, two by the maid Bilhah, and two by Asenath.

Now, fast-forward to the New Testament where the angel of The Lord spoke
to Joseph in a dream and instructed him to take part in naming Mary's
virgin-born baby.

"She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus" (Matt
1:21)

Joseph complied.

"And he gave him the name Jesus." (Matt 1:25)

So Christ went in the books as Joseph's son because that's how it worked in
those days when a man stood with a woman to name her child. Thus: Christ
became Solomon's descendant by means of adoption, just as Ephraim and
Manasseh became Rachel's descendants by means of adoption. This was the
only legitimate way that Jesus could ascend Solomon's throne because
stepchildren don't have inheritance rights.

NOTE: Just in case there's a man looking in on this thinking about adopting
his wife's children from a previous marriage; you need to be aware that
should the two of you later divorce; she can legally make you pay child
support for another man's kids because when you adopt them, the law and
the courts regard them as yours; so you'd better give that some serious
thought before taking the plunge.
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Gen 3:6 . . When the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that
it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was desirable to make one
wise, she took from its fruit and ate

The important thing to note at this point, is that Eve was unaffected by the
fruit: she went right on naked as usual; experiencing no shame about it
whatsoever.

Gen 3:6-7 . . She gave also to her husband with her, and he ate. Then the
eyes of both of them were opened, and they knew that they were naked;
and they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves loin coverings.

For convenience sake; let's attribute their new perception to man's so-called
fallen nature. The big question is: From where did Eve get it?

In the past, I was sure that the chemistry of the forbidden fruit had
something to do with Eve's altered state of mind; but now I seriously doubt
it because Eve was the first to eat the forbidden fruit, and when she did,
nothing happened. She remained shameless and went about in the buff as
usual. It wasn't till Adam tasted the fruit that something altered Eve's
conscience; so I'm pretty sure that the underlying cause is far more serious
than the chemistry of that fruit.

It's believed by a pretty large percentage of Christians that the fallen nature
is inherited from one's parents; specifically one's biological father. But Eve
was already in existence before Adam tasted the fruit; so he could not, nor
did he, pass it on to her biologically by means of procreation.

We're left with two alternatives: either God did it to her or the Serpent did it.

My money is on the Serpent, a.k.a. the Devil (Rev 20:2)

He has the power of death (Heb 2:14) and is able to tamper with the human
body and the human mind, e.g. Luke 13:16, Mark 5:1-5, and Eph 2:2.

If true that the Serpent did it; then Adam likely acquired his fallen nature
the very same way.

"Surely I was sinful at birth; sinful from the time my mother conceived me.
(Ps 51:5)

David's statement tells me that the Devil is able to tamper with zygotes in
such a way that people come into existence with the fallen nature right from
the gun. To my knowledge the Devil can't be everywhere at once, and
seeing as how thousands of people are conceived every minute all over the
world, then it's a pretty sure bet that he has at his disposal legions of
invisible helpers to assist him in bringing sinful babies to life.

"The Spirit of the Lord God is upon me; because the Lord hath anointed me
to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them
that are bound" (Isa 61:1)

Who are the captives? What prison? Who are the bound? The entire planet
and everybody on it.

"We know that we are children of God, and that the whole world is under the
control of the evil one." (1John 5:19)

According to Eph 2:4, everybody, Christians included, have been victims of
the power of death. The Serpent was apparently all set and ready to wield it
the moment that Adam crossed the line and ate that fruit. It amazes me
how quickly that power worked on Adam and Eve. As soon as he tasted the
fruit, they immediately set to work clothing their naked bodies.
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