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You keep throwing up these straw men, Jonathan, which do not accurately reflect my experience or the facts. There are many men calling themselves Christians who abuse women, pastors who are addicted to pornography (learned about that in my ministerial course, what a shock for me!) and men who believe that voluntary submission means subjugated obedience to an abuser.
I have heard women say that an abused woman should go back to her abusive husband and love him, and he will "come around." NOT! The threat of police might make a difference, though. A violent man is violent because he can get away with it. And he is nice to perpetuate the cycle of abuse!
The Cycle of Abuse | Respect For Women
I think the point is that you have taken this whole thread astray, and verbally abused some of the women here. Personally, I am on the verge of reporting you, for what you have said to individuals on this thread, including implying that women who are raped deserve it, that some of the women here are in fact whores, and it is more important to be subjugated to an abusive and violent husband than to live a life of peace through Jesus Christ.
Any woman is far better off to be alone that be in a continuing abusive marriage. Rape is a violent crime against women. Mind you, I guess men can be raped too! I guess it happens all the time in jails.
This thread was to be about women finding themselves in Jesus Christ, and you have totally abducted it with stereotypical nonsense.
Having been in a violently abusive relationship in the past, before I was a Christian, in public and battered, bruised and just about killed, because a man is usually a lot BIGGER and STRONGER than a woman, I can attest to the reality of abuse. I never provoked or fought back. I did leave eventually, and that man went on to batter two more wives in front of their children. Too bad I never had him thrown in jail, although I did try and I was told in those days that police could not intervene in cases of domestic violence. I'm so glad that law got changed. I guess you would not have changed that law?
As far as your implicit superiority in being a male, just remember, you will be answerable to God for every post you have made here with your extreme right wing rhetoric and headship misinterpretation of the Bible.
Just praying for your wife. I hope you don't think she "DESERVES" some discipling sometimes. She is an adult and deserves respect and love from her husband, which you have yet to show towards anyone (male or female) in any post I have read by you on any topic. Just saying! The truth will come out on judgment day!
And my apologies I did not jump in sooner with these attacks. I wasn't on-line earlier is my excuse, but I am now!!
I have heard women say that an abused woman should go back to her abusive husband and love him, and he will "come around." NOT! The threat of police might make a difference, though. A violent man is violent because he can get away with it. And he is nice to perpetuate the cycle of abuse!
The Cycle of Abuse | Respect For Women
I think the point is that you have taken this whole thread astray, and verbally abused some of the women here. Personally, I am on the verge of reporting you, for what you have said to individuals on this thread, including implying that women who are raped deserve it, that some of the women here are in fact whores, and it is more important to be subjugated to an abusive and violent husband than to live a life of peace through Jesus Christ.
Any woman is far better off to be alone that be in a continuing abusive marriage. Rape is a violent crime against women. Mind you, I guess men can be raped too! I guess it happens all the time in jails.
This thread was to be about women finding themselves in Jesus Christ, and you have totally abducted it with stereotypical nonsense.
Having been in a violently abusive relationship in the past, before I was a Christian, in public and battered, bruised and just about killed, because a man is usually a lot BIGGER and STRONGER than a woman, I can attest to the reality of abuse. I never provoked or fought back. I did leave eventually, and that man went on to batter two more wives in front of their children. Too bad I never had him thrown in jail, although I did try and I was told in those days that police could not intervene in cases of domestic violence. I'm so glad that law got changed. I guess you would not have changed that law?
As far as your implicit superiority in being a male, just remember, you will be answerable to God for every post you have made here with your extreme right wing rhetoric and headship misinterpretation of the Bible.
Just praying for your wife. I hope you don't think she "DESERVES" some discipling sometimes. She is an adult and deserves respect and love from her husband, which you have yet to show towards anyone (male or female) in any post I have read by you on any topic. Just saying! The truth will come out on judgment day!
And my apologies I did not jump in sooner with these attacks. I wasn't on-line earlier is my excuse, but I am now!!
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Johnathan,
You know nothing of Twofeet except she had a divorce and does not wish to remarry. You claim this disqualifies her from teaching other women. Not everyone who gets a divorce is scripturally disqualified from remarrying. Paul said it is best to remain single so you can better serve the Lord. Yet somehow you feel led to bash Twofeet and cast unfounded accusations at her. Don't forget what Jesus said "The way you judge others, you will be judged".
Honestly, you owe her an apology, if you are man enough. Pull the log out of your own eye before you go fault finding with others.
You know nothing of Twofeet except she had a divorce and does not wish to remarry. You claim this disqualifies her from teaching other women. Not everyone who gets a divorce is scripturally disqualified from remarrying. Paul said it is best to remain single so you can better serve the Lord. Yet somehow you feel led to bash Twofeet and cast unfounded accusations at her. Don't forget what Jesus said "The way you judge others, you will be judged".
Honestly, you owe her an apology, if you are man enough. Pull the log out of your own eye before you go fault finding with others.
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So if someone does something wrong, a person is justified in using violence against them because they were 'provoked'? Funny thing is, that is the same mentality abusers carry. "Its not my fault, she made me so angry i couldn't help it". If you think this way i suspect it gives a glimpse into you and your wives home life. Poor woman.
I never said any of those things you twisted and spun. I have a good marriage of 7 1/2 years. I have never abused my wife but I was physically abused when my former step dad broke my face and I had to have surgery and that is because I told him remarriage wasadultery. You people are like him; you lash out when you do not like the Bible. You are the abusive type.
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That one highlighted line sends a message that a woman provokes abuse.
There's my response. Show me where, using those lines, that i don't like the bible.
I have my evidence right here in plain view, despite the fact that i 'twisted and spun' anything. Yet your accusation against me i am not seeing a single shred of evidence. In fact your last response only reinforces my view of you.
There's my response. Show me where, using those lines, that i don't like the bible.
I have my evidence right here in plain view, despite the fact that i 'twisted and spun' anything. Yet your accusation against me i am not seeing a single shred of evidence. In fact your last response only reinforces my view of you.
I was replying to everyone not just you. You seem to think women areperfect. I would defend myself against a woman. That is what I meant by her provoking him. Sure all the little girls love the boy who defends them no matter what they do. It is just like the school yard. A little girl starts throwing punches and kicks to the groan over her miney mouse backpack getting dirty and the boy is just supposed to take it or be sent to the counselor for bullying. Did you know statistically women abuse children more? Did you know they tend to kill newborn babies? Would it be okay for a man to save his children?
