Grace is not an attribute of God

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God is love and love is an attribute of God. God is light and light is an attribute of God. He has all power, all knowledge and is everywhere present, these are attributes of God. God does not have to give grace to anyone and can withhold grace from anyone any time He chooses. However, He loves to be gracious and desires to be merciful. God saved us by grace through faith not because he had to but rather because He would honor any sinful man that would come to His Son by faith and believe.

The believer does not minister grace to others because he is required or has to, but rather because He was given grace when God was not required to. When we ask God for grace, God is not required to give but He gives it willfully of His own free volition. Grace is undeserved favor that we never deserve and God is not required to give it. We need His grace and God's plan is to develop a relationship that is based upon grace that He is not required to give.

God loves to give grace and does not despise the man that approaches Him with a humble and contrite heart. We are to never take for granted God's grace but at the same time realize that we can not live without it. When we are strong He makes us weak so that we have to depend on something that God is not required to give. We think as a son and child of God that we are entitled to God's grace, but we are not, yet He will make us depend upon Him by receiving His grace.

Is it any wonder why Paul said in (1Cor 15:9,10), 'I am what I am by the grace of God'.

9 For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.
10 But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.
 
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Red33 said:
God is love and love is an attribute of God. God is light and light is an attribute of God. He has all power, all knowledge and is everywhere present, these are attributes of God. God does not have to give grace to anyone and can withhold grace from anyone any time He chooses. However, He loves to be gracious and desires to be merciful. God saved us by grace through faith not because he had to but rather because He would honor any sinful man that would come to His Son by faith and believe.

The believer does not minister grace to others because he is required or has to, but rather because He was given grace when God was not required to. When we ask God for grace, God is not required to give but He gives it willfully of His own free volition. Grace is undeserved favor that we never deserve and God is not required to give it. We need His grace and God's plan is to develop a relationship that is based upon grace that He is not required to give.

God loves to give grace and does not despise the man that approaches Him with a humble and contrite heart. We are to never take for granted God's grace but at the same time realize that we can not live without it. When we are strong He makes us weak so that we have to depend on something that God is not required to give. We think as a son and child of God that we are entitled to God's grace, but we are not, yet He will make us depend upon Him by receiving His grace.

Is it any wonder why Paul said in (1Cor 15:9,10), 'I am what I am by the grace of God'.

9 For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.
10 But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.
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God's grace is a gift of God. As is salvation. Which is by God's grace alone. I don't think we should so easily dismiss what is or what is not an attribute of God. Why wouldn't grace be an attribute of God's Spirit? I don't know. No one knows what the essence (nature) of God is. We can know the attributes of God. God is merciful. Isn't merciful the same as gracious? So then, grace is one of God's attributes, ISTM. In any case, I'm sure we can be given grace by God, whether or not grace is actually an attribute of God. God is not known directly in His nature, but only in His attributes and works. God is known in the God-man Jesus Christ. John 3:16, etc.

 
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Grace (charis G5485) and mercy (eleos G1656) are closely related and inseparable in a sense, but functionally distinct.

Grace is the Divine influence upon our heart for sin itself; while mercy is for the misery as consequence of sin.

Grace will keep us from sin; mercy will help us bear the results of sin.
 
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Grace is obviously GODS attribute because we all deserve hell and are you burning up? THEN its grace that is stopping hell from consuming you and me.
 
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PneumaPsucheSoma said:
Grace (charis G5485) and mercy (eleos G1656) are closely related and inseparable in a sense, but functionally distinct.

Grace is the Divine influence upon our heart for sin itself; while mercy is for the misery as consequence of sin.

Grace will keep us from sin; mercy will help us bear the results of sin.
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Mercy is God taking away what we deserved as sinners and grace is what God gives the sinner that he does not deserve. That's why we are saved by mercy (Titus 3:5) and grace (Eph 2:8,9) through faith in the cross of Christ that did both (1Jn 2:2, 4:10, 2Cor 5:21).
 
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HeavenwithinYOU said:
Grace is obviously GODS attribute because we all deserve hell and are you burning up? THEN its grace that is stopping hell from consuming you and me.
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Grace is something God gives because He loves us and it comes in the form of goodness (Ps 107). This is what David had following him all the days of his life (Ps 23:6) and we have been gien those same sure mercies that David had (Acts 13:34).
 
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YouTube - Young Korean Girl Goes To Hell And Lives To Tell The Tale: What She Saw

WE LIVE IN GRACE OR WE WOLD BE HERE!

NOBODY IS RIGHTEOUS NOT ONE! Romans 3:10..... Romans 10:3 warns - Since they did not know the righteousness that comes from God and sought to establish their own, they did not submit to God's righteousness.

HERE is the deal, GOD wants to make YOU.. one with CHRIST..literally... to put YOUR SPIRIT into CHRISTS and to make you ONE with GOD .. hence, HEAVEN is within you and LIVING WATER will flow from within. BUT...

YOU MUST HATE THE WORLD AND ALL THAT IS IN IT AS JESUS SAID:

ASK, READ, REPENT and only seek heaven and do not love the world of anything in it, I promise you all.. that this is what the TRUE message of the Gospel IS because IF YOU JUST OPEN your eyes and heart and take these Scriptures for what they are and BOLDLY ASK GOD for heaven within you now, the Living Water, AND KEEP READING, fasting and pushing hard reading Matthew to Revelations and suffering like JESUS did with fasting and not sinning at ALL.. GOD will do IT!

WATCH my testimony THIS IS THE REAL TRUTH OF CHRIST HE HAS SHOWN ME HIMSELF, I COME in the NAME OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST RAISED THE 3rd day by the FATHER who sends the HOLY SPIRIT to those who TRULY REPENT AND ASK AND SEEK AND KEEP SEEKING BOLDLY UNTIL THEY FIND... AND ONLY THOSE WHO SEEK BOLDLY as JESUS SAID in the parable with the man asking for BREAD that was turned away BUT got the bread HE wanted due to HIS BOLD PERSISTENCE!

Luke 11:8 "I tell you, though he will not get up and give him the bread because he is his friend, yet because of the man's boldness he will get up and give him as much as he needs."
•John 17:21 - Jesus said: "That all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be IN us."
John 8:31 - "IF you ABIDE in my word, you are TRULY my disciples."
• John 14:21: "He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him."
• Luke 14:26 - "If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters--yes, even his own life--he cannot be my disciple." HATE in really "love less by comparison." In the Greek original.
• John 7:37 - For Jesus stood and cried, saying on the day of the Feast, "If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink. 38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his BELLY shall flow rivers of Living Water!"
• Luke 17:21 "nor will people say, 'Here it is,' or 'There it is,' because the kingdom of God is within you."
• John 7:38 - "Whoever believes in me, as the Scripture has said, streams of living water will flow from within him."
• LUKE 12:2 - "... and all that is secret will be made known."
• John 12:25 - "Those who love their lives will destroy them, and those who hate their lives in this world will guard them for everlasting life."
• 1 John 2:15 - "Do not love the world or anything in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him."
• Rev 3:20 - "If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with him, and he with me.”
• Galatians 2:20 - "I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me."
• 2 Corinthians 13:5 - "Examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith; test yourselves. Do you not realize that Christ Jesus is in you--unless, of course, you fail the test?"
• Hebrews 12:14 - "Without holiness no one will see the Lord."
• 2 Peter 2:2 - "Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute."
• Ephesians 2:14 - For he himself is our peace, who has made the two one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, by abolishing in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new man out of the two, thus making peace, and in this one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross, by which he put to death their hostility.

• Romans 8:9 -- "You, however, are controlled not by the sinful nature but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ."

• Galatians 5:20 -- "Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the sinful nature with its passions and desires."

• Colossians 2:11 -- "In him you were also circumcised, in the putting off of the sinful nature, not with a circumcision done by the hands of men but with the circumcision done by Christ."

• John 17:24 "Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, and to see my glory, the glory you have given me because you loved me before the creation of the world."

• 1 John 2:27 "...and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit."
• 1 John 3:9 - "No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God's seed remains in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God."

• 1 John 5:18 - "We know that the person who has been born from God does not go on sinning. Rather, the Son of God protects them, and the evil one cannot harm them."
• Luke 24:49 "I am going to send you what my Father has promised; but stay in the city until you have been clothed with power from on high."

• John 4: 23 -- "Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. 24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth."

• Hebrews 12:8 "If you are not disciplined (and everyone undergoes discipline), then you are illegitimate children and not true sons."

• John 8:34 - Jesus replied, "I tell you the truth, everyone who sins is a slave to sin. 35 Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it forever. 36 So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed."
• Hebrews 10:26 - If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God.
 
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