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Laodicea

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#21
What do you mean by "standard for salvation"?

Since Pentecost, in order to be saved a person needs to confess Jesus as Lord and believe God raised him from the dead. Since it was not possible to do that until Jesus was raised from the dead, yes, the "standard of salvation" is different than it was in the OT.

...if I understand what you're saying.
How was salvation different in the OT than in the NT? I am just asking to understand what you are saying, cause I see it that we ard saved by grace through faith wheather OT or NT
 
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How was salvation different in the OT than in the NT? I am just asking to understand what you are saying, cause I see it that we ard saved by grace through faith wheather OT or NT
I'm not sure what this has to do with the topic of hair length....:)

OT believers looked forward to Christ. Some OT believers had holy spirit upon them, by measure, and they could lose it. Christians are BORN of holy spirit, the full measure, and it is permanent. OT believers were to keep the law. Christians are saved by grace through faith, keeping the law is no longer required (keeping the sabbath, clean vs unclean food, etc).

Is that what you meant?
 
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Bloodwashed

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#23
Now just who is to say what long hair is? My wife has really long hair! Maybe 2 & 1/2 feet. Makes my 1 & 1/2 foot hair short!--Got to love you, Mark-
 
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wwjd_kilden

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#25
That's because most of us are used to Norwegian Jesus.


haha, lol


- Seriously though, I think there are other things God wants us to be more worried about than the length of our hair.
 
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keshka

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#26
I'm going to attempt to paraphrase what my pastor said about this, as we've been going through 1 Corinthians. The short version of this was that Corinth was sort of like the Vegas/San Francisco of the day, where you had a huge amount of homosexuality taking place. In that context, the long hair that was shameful was more likely men parading around being effeminate.
I'm wary of opening a can of worms here, but what's so bad about men being homosexual or effeminate?

I agree with people stating that the usual depictions of Jesus are probably inaccurate - after all, most paintings I've seen show him as totally caucasian!

People can have their hair how they like, I think. In my uni days I shaved all my hair off for charity - not a pretty sight!
 
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I understand hair length might not be the most important Bible subject but it is also not very hard to accomplish. You either cut it or do not cut it. It's that simple. We may spend alot of time on other Christian virtues but hair length only requires a little consideration every month or so. It's not that hard. I wouldn't even consider it bearing a cross unless you were persecuted for it. God bless.
 
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Bloodwashed

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#28
Got any other rules I should live by? Ones that are easy! Should I wear a tie to church? What about jeans? Please do tell!!! I want to be holy! And women in pants, oh my! Got to love you!--Mark--
 

cronjecj

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Got any other rules I should live by? Ones that are easy! Should I wear a tie to church? What about jeans? Please do tell!!! I want to be holy! And women in pants, oh my! Got to love you!--Mark--
The LORD looks unto the heart brother
not the outer appearance.

No rulez, just love.

But then again you knew that.

Love.
 
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wwjd_kilden

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I understand hair length might not be the most important Bible subject but it is also not very hard to accomplish. You either cut it or do not cut it. It's that simple. We may spend alot of time on other Christian virtues but hair length only requires a little consideration every month or so. It's not that hard. I wouldn't even consider it bearing a cross unless you were persecuted for it. God bless.

You got any idea how hot it is to have long hair in mid August? I suggest you try a wig and find out ;)
 

tribesman

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I'm wary of opening a can of worms here, but what's so bad about men being homosexual or effeminate?
It's a sin for a start. A sin that will close the door to the Kingdom of God for those that loves that sin and live in it.

1Cor.6

[9] Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
[10] Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
[11] And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
The LORD looks unto the heart brother not the outer appearance. No rulez, just love...
Antinomianism LOVES to abuse the word "love" to justify whatever it wants to justify. Hope you're not unwisely joining that bandwagon in any wise.

Deut.22

[5] The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.
1Cor.11

[1] Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.
[2] Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered them to you.
[3] But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
[4] Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head.
[5] But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.
[6] For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.
[7] For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.
[8] For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man.
[9] Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.
[10] For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels.
[11] Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord.
[12] For as the woman is of the man, even so is the man also by the woman; but all things of god.
[13] Judge in yourselves: is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncovered?
[14] Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?
[15] But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering.
[16] But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God.
 
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wwjd_kilden

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Now that we are on that topic

it also mentions drunkards and fornicators, that would, sadly, make out a biiig part of todays people.
- A way larger part than the homosexuals ...

just pointing that out. Not saying either is right, just saying that if one is bad, they all are
 
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keshka

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#33
It's a sin for a start. A sin that will close the door to the Kingdom of God for those that loves that sin and live in it.
I am absolutely outraged by this. Does God really condemn people for being born homosexual? He makes them gay and then tells them they're going to hell? Not very fair, is it?

Hatred or discrimination in the name of religion is bad. Look at how some Muslim women are discriminated against- forced to hide their faces in public. Look how 9/11 happenned, because of religious bigotry and hated. Look at the conflicts of Palestine. Christianity is often no better in this regard, with sectarian bloodshed in Northern Ireland for example.

We should never, NEVER, pick upon or discriminate against any group of law-abiding people for purely religious reasons. That way lies madness.

The Bible is the Good Book. It tells us to love, to show compassion, to be merciful.

It is NOT a book of hate.
 

cronjecj

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keshka

There is no such thing as born gay.
 
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Bloodwashed

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Quote from tribesman!
Deut.22

[5] The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.

Just wondering. What period in history we should go back to when determining womens garments from mens garments?
I got to say, from what I'v seen on here, christianchat, we must be 1000's of years out for any unity of The Faith! Blessings Mark!
 

cronjecj

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Antinomianism LOVES to abuse the word "love" to justify whatever it wants to justify. Hope you're not unwisely joining that bandwagon in any wise.
not at all, i meant to love God with all ya heart which fulfills the first 4 commandments of God and thy neighbor as thyself which fulfills the 6 last commandments of God.

We certainly do not practice lawlessness but obey it by obeying Jesus commandments (love God, love neighbor) because the truth is in us brother.

..and love rejoices in truth. 1 Corinthians 13:6 (KJV)

love.
 
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Bloodwashed

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keshka

People are born sinners. We are not sinners because we sin. We sin because we are sinners. I am a forgiven whoremonger. Now I don't know if I was born that way, but it became very natural to me at a very early age. I have a good Christian friend, his experience is much like mine. Only difference is I liked girls, he liked boys. Neither of us walk in that sin anymore. All thanks to God. As a Christian keshka, if I was still in that sin, would you not point it out to me in love. Would you comfort my wife with, " Oh, it's ok, he was born that way." Would you let my friend skip merrily down the road that leads to distruction? We are to love our neighbor, even if they are gay. Love would point out their error. With Love not in judgement! Love Mark
 

cronjecj

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Now that we are on that topic

it also mentions drunkards and fornicators, that would, sadly, make out a biiig part of todays people.
- A way larger part than the homosexuals ...

just pointing that out. Not saying either is right, just saying that if one is bad, they all are
yea and those that practice lawlessness are not of Christ seed but of the enemy, because the enemy sinneth from the beginning whether drunkards or fornicators.
 
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Bloodwashed

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#39
Quote from tribesman!
Deut.22

[5] The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.

Just wondering. What period in history we should go back to when determining womens garments from mens garments?
I got to say, from what I'v seen on here, christianchat, we must be 1000's of years out for any unity of The Faith! Blessings Mark!
Sorry for reposting my post, but I never got an answer! Blessings Mark!
 
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SantoSubito

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That's because most of us are used to Norwegian Jesus.

I'm partial to El Greco's portrayal of Christ myself.



But does anyone else notice that Christ's ears are a little pointy in this painting?