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Forest

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#21
I was wondering if someone would be so kind as to show me in the Bible

where the idea of the Trinity comes from

I have been reading and it does not sound to me that Jesus was telling us this. He speaks as if they are individual.

Thank You, In Advance and GOD Bless,
Steven
1 John 5:7, For there that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, which is Christ, and the Holy Ghost; and these three are one.
 
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Forest

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#22
The Words "trice i-see' hice" appear in the original Greek text which literally means "three are one". The Greek is the same as the English in the KJV. The NKJV also says "these three are one". The Reina Valera 1960 also says it in Spanish "estos tres son uno". I agree with the KJV translation. The words are word for word, from Greek to English, "three are one".
I noticed your foot note. Our faith does not save us eternally, only Christ's faith does that, Gal 2:16.
 
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sonnyd

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#24
I noticed your foot note. Our faith does not save us eternally, only Christ's faith does that, Gal 2:16.
Eph 2:5
Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with
Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)

Eph 2:8
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it
is the gift of God:
 
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Forest

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#25
Thank You, EVERYONE

God sprouted a seed I planted. My friend was saved this weekend and I know he will have a lot of questions this next week and I was wanting to be better informed when he asked about this difficult concept, at least for simple carnal minds, like mine

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I am also enjoying this Chat service, always great to talk about GOD!!!
A lot of people get regeneration and conversion mixed up. Regeneration is the new birth, being born again to a spiritual life, being saved eternally. Conversion means to turn around. The new birth, regeneration, comes for the most part unnoticed. Jesus explains it in John 3:8, The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth, so is every one that is born of the Spirit. Most people can not tell you when they were born again, and if they do claim that they remember it because it was a very dramatic event in their life, they are probably confusing it with the fact that they were converted, which makes them want to turn their life around and start serving God. Most people that claim they got saved, eternally, in reality were converted. There is a salvation in being converted, that is turning away from the way they have been living and attempting to live a better life, but that salvation is not eternal salvation, but is being delivered from their old way of life. Regeneration always comes before regeneration. Congratulations on your friend that he has committed to trying to live a life in service to God. I hope I haven't confused you, not my intent.
 
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If there is a trinity then some things need to be explained.

The Bible says that there is one God,the Father.
It says that there is one God,and then states that only the Father is God with no mention of Son or Holy Spirit.

The Spirit moved upon the face of the waters.The Spirit caused the conception in Mary.The Spirit dwells in the saints.
If there is a God the Son why does the Bible say Mary was conceived of the Holy Spirit,and not God the Son.

The Bible does not say God the Son but Son of God.

The term Son means to come after the Father,and means to begotten,or else the term has no meaning.
If the Son has no beginning and not created,then why is He called the Son.

The Bible says the government shall be upon the Son's shoulders,and His name will be The everlasting Father,the Prince of Peace,signifying He will be fully God and fully man.
How can the Son be called The everlasting Father.

The Bible says the Son is the fulness of the Godhead bodily,so if Godhead means trinity then they would all be Jesus.

In the Old Testament the Father told the Jews;therefore My people will know My name,therefore they shall know in that day that it is Me that does speak,behold it is I,signifying that God would reveal a new name to the Jews and speak to them,which Jesus said,if you have seen Him then you have seen the Father,and it is the Father that dwells in Him,He does the works.
Is it the Father that was manifest in flesh,and is the Father's name Jesus.

In the Old Testament it says what is God's name,and what is His Son's name,if you can tell,which is a prophetic statement to the Son of God,which the name will be the name of both the Father and Son.

Jesus said,I come in My Father's name,I manifested the Father's name,I declared My Father's name,signifying that the Father's name is Jesus.
Jesus said He did the works in the Father's name,and it is the Father that dwells in Him that does the works.

The Bible says that the Son inherited the name from the Father,meaning Jesus is the Father's name and the Son inherited that name.Since Jesus is God manifest in the flesh,fully God and fully man,it is the name of both God and the Son,the man Christ Jesus.

Jesus is the name of the Father.

Jesus is the name of the Son as told to Mary by the angel.

The Bible says the Holy Spirit comes in the name of Jesus.

It appears that the name of the Father,Son,and Holy Ghost is Jesus.

The Bible says Jesus created all things,came in flesh,and dwells in the saints.

The book of Luke says to baptize in Jesus' name,so was Jesus telling us that He is the one the created all things,came in flesh,and dwells in the saints,by telling the disciples to baptize in the name of the Father,Son,and Holy Ghost,which is Jesus,so the saints would not be confused,and would direct their attention to Jesus as Lord and Master.

The Son told the disciples when He resurrects to heaven to not ask Him anything,but ask the Father and He will do it,but in another passage of scripture the Son said when He resurrects to heaven to ask Him and He will do it.
Does it sound like the Son is saying,I intercede and pray to the Father for you while on earth,but when I resurrect to heaven come to Me as God and not as the Son,the man Christ Jesus,to pray to the Father for you.
Jesus said do not ask Him but only ask the Father,but then said ask Him and He will do it.

The Bible says the Son shall deliver up the kingdom to God,even the Father,but in another passage of scripture it says that Jesus will present the kingdom to Himself.

The way I see it,is there is no trinity,but Father,Son,and Holy Ghost,are the 3 ways God has a relationship with people,and there is only one God with no distinction of persons doing it all,created mankind,manifest all His attributes to the man Christ Jesus,and dwells in the saints.

Father-parent of the saints,and Father of spirits of all people,which all spirits go back to God regardless of how the person acted on earth.

Son-the visible relationship of God to the saints,and the only way the saints can see the invisible God,which the Bible says God was manifest in the flesh,seen of angels.

Holy Ghost-the invisible relationship of God to the saints,and God is a Holy Spirit.

The way I see it,is there is only one God,a Holy Spirit.When God created mankind He took on the title of Father,and became the Father of spirits,and Father of the saints.The Son is the man Christ Jesus.

The Bible says that God calls things that have not yet happened,as though it already happened,for if it is a plan of God in the beginning to happen in the future,it is the same as if it happened in the beginning,which the Bible says,the Lamb was slain from the foundation of the world,although we know it did not happen until 4000 years later.

Therefore the Son,the man Christ Jesus,can be in the beginning before He is born,because God calls things that have not yet happened,as though they already happened,and the Bible says,that when the fulness of the time was come,God sent forth His Son,made of a woman,made under the law,and in another place,the Son was made according to the flesh,and in another place the Son was made a little lower than the angels,but that is flesh.

It seems like there is only one God,with no distinction of persons,and Jesus is that one God.


14That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:
15Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
16Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen(1 Timothy 6:14-16).


The Bible says,that Jesus is the blessed and only Ruler,who dwells in the light which no man can approach unto,whom no man has seen,and no man will ever see Jesus.


We will never be able to see Jesus because He is the invisible God,but we can only see a visible manifestation of Him that is made of a physical substance.


Is that why so many people argue over the truth,do not seem blessed,and do not act like they should,because they place Jesus as second place or on an equal par with another God,when He is the one God,violating God's commandment,thou shall have no other gods before Me.


8Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any(Isaiah 44:8).


10Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
11I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour(Isaiah 43:10-11).


If I am going to believe in a trinity,then someone better explain it better and that makes sense,than what has been explained,oh these many years,because when I read the Bible I do not see a trinity.
 
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Laodicea

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#27
Ephesians 4:4-6
(4) There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
(5) One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
(6) One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
 
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becausehedied

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#28
Php 2:5 Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus,
Php 2:6 who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God,
Php 2:7 but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men.
Php 2:8 And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross.
Php 2:9 Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name,
Php 2:10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth,
Php 2:11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
 
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becausehedied

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#29
Heb 1:1 God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets,
Heb 1:2 has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds;
Heb 1:3 who being the brightness of His glory and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,
Heb 1:4 having become so much better than the angels, as He has by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

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