I have heard . . .

[Nehemiah6]

Jesus was entombed in the heart of the earth for 3 day and 3 nights ....He didn't sneak out when He was dead to go see the imprisoned spirits ...

How could He be "entombed" in the heart of the earth and also be in Joseph Arimathea's tomb at the same time? Do you see the absurdity?

While the body of Christ was in His sepulchre, His soul and spirit were in Hades (NOT Hell) for three days and three nights. And that is when He preached to the spirits in prison.

 

[Magenta]

Did Jesus go to hell between His death and resurrection? (<= link )

 

[Artios1]

How could He be "entombed" in the heart of the earth and also be in Joseph Arimathea's tomb at the same time? Do you see the absurdity?

While the body of Christ was in His sepulcher, His soul and spirit were in Hades (NOT Hell) for three days and three nights. And that is when He preached to the spirits in prison.

Nope, I don’t see the absurdity …. I did use “heart of the earth” and “entombed” to make the point that He was dead.

Hell is the counterpart that the Greeks used for Hebrew word sheol …. which is the "state" of being in the grave (not the grave itself). Everybody who dies is in that state until they are raised or resurrected.

Do you not see the absurdity of Christ being dead and going to show Himself to the spirits while He was dead ….His purpose of seeing the spirits was to show them …that He conquered death.

1Co 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.

1Co 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

 

[pottersclay]

Ephesians 4:9-10 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?
He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)

 

[HeIsHere]

God owes no one anything.

God is Love.

1 John 4:7-21

 

[Nehemiah6]

Do you not see the absurdity of Christ being dead and going to show Himself to the spirits while He was dead ….His purpose of seeing the spirits was to show them …that He conquered death.

So you've got it wrong again. Christ was very much awake and alive in the heart of the earth even while His body lay in the tomb. It is only when He arose that He demonstrated His victory over death.

 

[maxwel]

God is Love.

1 John 4:7-21

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1.) I said God does not "owe" anyone anything.

2.) The love which God offers you is not "owed" to you.

3.) To "owe" implies service has been rendered which entitles payment... to "owe" implies "earned."

4.) God's love is not something "owed" to us, because it is not something earned, it is given by grace.




Final Thought:
It can get very weird and complicated when we start talking about how God's attributes affect certain doctrines. It's easy for nice people to have different views on these, or even just misunderstand each other, because it's just a very strange and vast topic.



Have a lovely weekend.



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[Nehemiah6]

Ephesians 4:9-10 Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.

This passage gives us an insight into what happened immediately after the resurrection of Christ. All the OT saints had been held captive in Hades until the resurrection. On the day of resurrection Christ (a) destroyed the gates of Hades (either literally or metaphorically), (b) led captivity captive, and (c) ascended to Heaven with all the OT saints. They are all presently in the New Jerusalem, awaiting their resurrection. They all received the gift of the Holy Spirit on the day of Pentecost, thus they are called "the spirits of just men made perfect".

 

[Webers.Home]

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The spirit of Christ, spoken of in 1Pet 3:18-20, was active with prophets in
times past. (1Pet 1:11)

Noah was a preacher, i.e. an inspired man. (1Pet 2:5) It was likely by him
that the Spirit of Christ spoke to the antediluvians prior to their termination
in the Flood.

● Gen 6:3 . . .The Lord said: My spirit will not contend with man forever, for
he is mortal

While people are yet alive, they have a window of opportunity to listen to
inspired men like Noah, but that window closed for his neighbors when God
shut and sealed the door of the Ark. In other words: it was while the Ark
was under construction that the Spirit of Christ preached to the people in
Noah's day rather than later on after they were all deceased.
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[Artios1]

So you've got it wrong again. Christ was very much awake and alive in the heart of the earth even while His body lay in the tomb. It is only when He arose that He demonstrated His victory over death.

It sounds to me like you are trying to sell me religious tofu wrapped in a USDA prime package … there is no meat in what you say.

But if you can show me a scripture that verifies your statement …. I will gladly accept that as truth.

 

[HeIsHere]

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1.) I said God does not "owe" anyone anything.

2.) The love which God offers you is not "owed" to you.

3.) To "owe" implies service has been rendered which entitles payment... to "owe" implies "earned."

4.) God's love is not something "owed" to us, because it is not something earned, it is given by grace.




Final Thought:
It can get very weird and complicated when we start talking about how God's attributes affect certain doctrines. It's easy for nice people to have different views on these, or even just misunderstand each other, because it's just a very strange and vast topic.



Have a lovely weekend.



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Yes I understand the point, thank you for further elaborating and certainly this is important point for people trying to earn otheir salvation, Paul clearly makes the point that we cannot put God in our debt.

However, within the bigger picture of God and the plan of salvation, I prefer the words "give" and 'receive" rather than.... "owe" and "deserve."

I think it keeps the right perspective about the glorious Good News.

Have a beautiful Sunday.

 

[Nehemiah6]

But if you can show me a scripture that verifies your statement …. I will gladly accept that as truth.

Do your own due diligence. Start with the sign of the prophet Jonah. You would not accept any Scripture even if I posted it since you nave accepted nothing from me so far.

 

[Artios1]

Do your own due diligence. Start with the sign of the prophet Jonah. You would not accept any Scripture even if I posted it since you nave accepted nothing from me so far.

I spent 14 years of my life having a religion (of all places) make up things about God that are not in the Bible… And you want me to trust your word? …No way…… Nor do I expect you to trust mine unless it is backed up by scripture which is my only source of Truth, practice, and faith (believing).

Pretty sure I know where you are going with Jonah and with Christ being alive in the heart of the earth but the Word declares Jonah died in the fish.

Jonah 2:2

And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the LORD, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell (sheol) cried I, and thou heardest my voice.

Translators used the Greek word Hell in this verse rather than the Hebrew word Sheol (which is in the MMS) And although several interlinear define Sheol - as the OT designation for the abode of the dead…. that is slightly inaccurate.

Sheol is not recognized as the place of the dead in the OT, but rather the state (time or reign) of being dead…. it is a continuing state until the resurrection. The word (qeber) is the Hebrew word for the grave itself ….which in Jonah’s case would have been the large fish for 3 days and nights.

Other than drawing your own conclusion from Jonah ...I already know there are no other scripture that state Jesus was alive when he was dead....and he could not have witnessed to the imprisoned spirits until He was raised with a spiritual body.

 

[Webers.Home]

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At some point in his nautical adventure, Jonah went to a place called sheol
(Jonah 2:2) which he located at the bottoms of the mountains. (Jonah 2:6)
Well; the bottoms of the mountains aren't located in the tummy of a fish,
nor under the sea, rather; they're located deep underground. So in order for
Jonah to be in the tummy of a fish, and deep underground at the same time,
the man and his body had to part company at some point and go their separate
ways.

Now when you think about it; Jesus' remains were never in the heart of the
Earth; in point of fact they were laid to rest up on the surface; and not even
in the soil, rather; above ground in a rock-hewn tomb. So in order for
Jesus to be up on the surface and in the heart of the Earth at the same time,
the man and his body had to part company and go their separate ways.

* Jonah 2:6 strongly suggests that he underwent a resurrection just prior to
his prayer and the fish spitting him ashore. In other words: it appears to me
that Jonah was deceased somewhere along the line.
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