if God is sovereign why are we asking for divine intervention?

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cionski

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if God is sovereign why are we asking for divine intervention? what i mean is this: God is in control of everything, he directs, he leads the course of history not even history in general,but even every individuals lives. But then, how come we ask for his intervention in the course of our events?our plead is as if we imply that God in the first place is not leading or directing our lives and that at the moment of tragedy or in need we need him to intervene.so, if God is sovereign why are we asking for divine intervention?
 
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charisenexcelcis

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Only that part of His plan of demonstrating His love and grace to the world and teaching us about His love and grace is to use us as intercessors.
 
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if God is sovereign why are we asking for divine intervention? what i mean is this: God is in control of everything, he directs, he leads the course of history not even history in general,but even every individuals lives. But then, how come we ask for his intervention in the course of our events?our plead is as if we imply that God in the first place is not leading or directing our lives and that at the moment of tragedy or in need we need him to intervene.so, if God is sovereign why are we asking for divine intervention?
We ask Him because He wants us to ask. Does He say, "ask and it shall be given unto you" He wants us to ask, because to ask for Him to save you requires faith, and you cannot please God without faith.
 
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Slepsog4

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There is an assumption that because God is sovereign that He has already predetermined every single detail of every single life from beginning to end. This is a false construct. His sovereignty is sufficient to allow his creation certain freedoms.
 
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Sin and the evil one are as real as God. God has the power to help anyone who wants to turn their life over to him. But many people don't want to be controlled by God. So Gods hands are tied from helping them.
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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I have a few words for you friend: Freewill and Spiritual Warfare. We live in a world where people engage in all kinds of behavior that is unsafe for their fellow persons. In addition to that, the Bible tells us there is spiritual warfare taking place. Think about the 262 million people that died by democide under state atheism just last century (e.g. the 20th century).

The war is won! Yet some of the battles are still being fought and the final one yet to be fought. Consider the world's problems and I think you'll see these two causes are the primary causes behind them. Yet they are temporary and God will cause all of it for the good of those that love Him and who have been called according to His purpose.

So why does a good God allow evil? I can explain it but I have to get to my doctor's appointment. The short answer is this: temporary evil has been allowed to exist for a temporary period of time so that greater eternal good will result for all eternity. This may not make sense to you but I assure you from a theological and philosophyical position it is true.

God keeps His promises to His children. So relax and seek God's perfect will for your life. There's no safer place in the universe than God's perfect will. Now I'm off to my appointment.
 
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possum66

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That is a very intelligent question to ask. God is sovereign, but I believe He allows us to demonstrate our faith in Him with prayer. This life of ours is a test of our faith in God. We can change the course of our lives via prayer if God allows it and it's His will for us and in our best interest. God will give us the desires of our heart like any good father would, but only if it's for our spiritual benefit. However, He sometimes lets us get what we want to show us what we wanted wasn't that great, or it may have been painful, etc. Hope that all makes sense. Blessings!
 
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Matthew 23:37
King James Version (KJV)
37O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

We could never frustriate His ultimate will. But there is alot
of things He will allow and many things He would give if we asked.

If that isnt understandable then just do it because He asked you to
and Look at Jesus life. He prayed continually.
 
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cionski;366321 said:
if God is sovereign why are we asking for divine intervention? what i mean is this: God is in

control of everything, he directs, he leads the course of history not even history in general,but even every

individuals lives. But then, how come we ask for his intervention in the course of our events?our plead is as if

we imply that God in the first place is not leading or directing our lives and that at the moment of tragedy or

in need we need him to intervene.so, if God is sovereign why are we asking for divine intervention?
Friends: Christ says, I believe, "You do not have, because you do not ask". That's either Christ in Scripture or one of the Scriptures. I forget which. So, Christ in His Divine Sovereignty, tells us to ask Him, so we should pray to God, because God is Sovereign. And God commands us to pray to Him, and ask Him to save us. And Scripture says the promise, "Whosoever shall call upon the name of the LORD shall be saved."
God save us. Amen. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington
 

Grandpa

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When we pray we have this idea that we are moving God to do something. More than likely it is not God that moves closer to us, but us that moves closer to God.
 
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Crossfire

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Matthew 23:37
King James Version (KJV)
37O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

We could never frustriate His ultimate will. But there is alot
of things He will allow and many things He would give if we asked.

If that isnt understandable then just do it because He asked you to
and Look at Jesus life. He prayed continually.


Good word. However, if I could add to that, once we begin to perceive prayer as a burden or a chore / work, then our prayers become basically useless. Why do I say that? Because God gave us prayer for one simple reason, intimacy with Him. You see prayer really is not about asking for things we need nor is about praying for the needs of others although both are important. Prayer is very important because it is the place where we learn what God's will really is. It's how we find out what's on God's heart thus our hearts are conformed to His in the process.

When prayer becomes a chore for us that means our hearts are already in the wrong place. Does that mean we shouldn't pray? Absolutely not! That's when we need to stop going through the usual motions and get real with God, repenting of that which needs to be repented of and asking God to renew our hearts (love) toward Him and others.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Good word. However, if I could add to that, once we begin to perceive prayer as a burden or a chore / work, then our prayers become basically useless. Why do I say that? Because God gave us prayer for one simple reason, intimacy with Him. You see prayer really is not about asking for things we need nor is about praying for the needs of others although both are important. Prayer is very important because it is the place where we learn what God's will really is. It's how we find out what's on God's heart thus our hearts are conformed to His in the process.

When prayer becomes a chore for us that means our hearts are already in the wrong place. Does that mean we shouldn't pray? Absolutely not! That's when we need to stop going through the usual motions and get real with God, repenting of that which needs to be repented of and asking God to renew our hearts (love) toward Him and others.
To add to this. Prayer is our way to converse with God. Much like we would converse with our Earthly father. We should speak to God like we are having a conversation with him. Thanking him for what he has done, Making intercession for those around us, and even asking him for guidance, or something we may need.

it is one thing say, we have a child, and know their need, and just gie it to them. it is even more personal when the child asks, and then we receive. Sometimes God does not give because he wants us to ask him for it. To trust him.
 
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Crossfire

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To add to this. Prayer is our way to converse with God. Much like we would converse with our Earthly father. We should speak to God like we are having a conversation with him. Thanking him for what he has done, Making intercession for those around us, and even asking him for guidance, or something we may need.

it is one thing say, we have a child, and know their need, and just gie it to them. it is even more personal when the child asks, and then we receive. Sometimes God does not give because he wants us to ask him for it. To trust him.

Another good word.
 
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if God is sovereign why are we asking for divine intervention? what i mean is this: God is in control of everything, he directs, he leads the course of history not even history in general,but even every individuals lives. But then, how come we ask for his intervention in the course of our events?our plead is as if we imply that God in the first place is not leading or directing our lives and that at the moment of tragedy or in need we need him to intervene.so, if God is sovereign why are we asking for divine intervention?
There is no harm in asking the Lord for things. He is our Lord and friend, and we will ask him for many things over time.
 

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if God is sovereign why are we asking for divine intervention? what i mean is this: God is in control of everything, he directs, he leads the course of history not even history in general,but even every individuals lives. But then, how come we ask for his intervention in the course of our events?our plead is as if we imply that God in the first place is not leading or directing our lives and that at the moment of tragedy or in need we need him to intervene.so, if God is sovereign why are we asking for divine intervention?
To give glory to God.

1Cor.10

[31]...whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God.
 

lil_christian

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if God is sovereign why are we asking for divine intervention? what i mean is this: God is in control of everything, he directs, he leads the course of history not even history in general,but even every individuals lives. But then, how come we ask for his intervention in the course of our events?our plead is as if we imply that God in the first place is not leading or directing our lives and that at the moment of tragedy or in need we need him to intervene.so, if God is sovereign why are we asking for divine intervention?

Matthew 7:8

For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened.

God is willing to help those who ask for it if it is in His will.
 
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HhhLGA89

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I would agree with some of the points in everyone's posts so far. I believe that God is sovereign but not an interventionist to the smallest minutiae of human affairs. He has made a world that has order, cause and effect. Just as the planets in our solar system revolve around the sun, when we sin the natural outcome is death. Sin is also destructive (that is another one of its effects). You also have to remember that God not only controls things but allows them as well, to admit this is also to admit he is not a stringent interventionist. He does control everything in an ultimate sense, he does not control everything in a dictatorial sense: meaning when I spill a cup of soda I don't think he is the cause of it.

I like to think of God as a computer programmer, though no comparison can be perfect. He sets everything up to have exactly the same results, every single time (order), he only needs to interfere when he wants (lets say to make an update which I would equate to prayer. He can do other things that are to his pleasure as well that have nothing to do with us) or when he feels he needs to (lets say to remove a virus). He is still sovereign over the program because nothing is done without his agreeing to do something, but he is not causing everything (he does not cause viruses, though he could).

God does not author sin, he offers freewill, and he allows things to happen. These three truths alone prove that God allows allot of wiggle room, why else would he tell us to pray? So in that opportunity to pray He is also allowing us to ask for things that He would be pleased in doing so much as it is in accordance with His ultimate will for our lives, he will flesh out the details of our future.
You should also remember that God may put it in our hearts to pray for something, so that when He answers it may result in praise.
2 Corinthians 1:11 You also must help us by prayer, so that many will give thanks on our behalf for the blessing granted us through the prayers of many.
 

duewell

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shouldn't a child be able to ask his father for help. even if things are going the way our father intends, there is no shame in asking for help. it is by asking our father for help that we show faith that he is in control of our lives. some times the help comes in a way we dont perceive or understand. other times it can seem very direct. even then it is what we do with those opportunities. sometimes we have to fall down to learn how to walk. other times we need help getting back up. it is still our job to walk once we have been helped back to our feet.

as for divine intervention. one day Jesus will show you the truth of our lives. we will see the divine intervention that was at work every day of our lives. even bad things can become good things in the proper light. the best example i can give us this personally is from when my grandmother died. it was a bad thing to witness, yet it began to open me up emotionally again in my life. try to treat everything in your life as a learning experience. we are here to look listen and learn. some things are horrific and terrible, just know that even when that happens it can be turned to a good purpose to serve God. the gospels of Jesus teach us this.

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