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Lust means to covet, to desire something that isn't yours. Sexual stimulation can happen independently of lust. You don't necessarily have to be lusting while watching pornography, though it can certainly tempt you to do so. But then so can a trip to the beach.
Lust is a sin of the heart and mind, it's something you much chose to do, not something that happens accidentally.
I think a lot of people worry that they're guilty of it when they're really just experiencing normal sexual interest.
Lust is a sin of the heart and mind, it's something you much chose to do, not something that happens accidentally.
I think a lot of people worry that they're guilty of it when they're really just experiencing normal sexual interest.
C
"Thou shalt not commit aldultery"
"But I say unto you, That whosoever (keeps) looking on a (married) woman to lust (overmastering desire, with an element of wrath and indignity; epithumia), hath already commited aldultery in his own heart."
"lust' is translated from the Greek word epithumia, and there is nothing in this word that can be desribed as being the appreciation of the physical form of the opposite sex in a dignified manner, no it describes the opposite, we might use this word to desribe the habit of 'stalking' with intent to master with wrath. This is niot an indicment against feeling sexually aroused or looking admiringly upon the opposite sex, that is perfectly natural. What Jesus is saying is that it is not right to act in an manner of seeking to control somebody without respect to their feelings and dignity.
It is Jesus explaining that evil desires lead to evil actions and if you are concieving this in your mind and heart, you are already breaking God's laws. It is not against God's law to feel physically attracted to a member of the opposite sex, but if you are not respecting them and your behaviour is such that you are seeking to control them purely to satify your own over-mastering passion and desire, then that is not right, that could be what is known today as 'stalking', or just lewd and crude unwanted behaviour, that is just not acceptable. See Jesus is always fullfilling the law by extending it to your hearts and minds, God is now writing His law in the heart, not in the stone, He wants it in your minds, no point if your actions and thoughts are betraying each other, they must be one.
"But I say unto you, That whosoever (keeps) looking on a (married) woman to lust (overmastering desire, with an element of wrath and indignity; epithumia), hath already commited aldultery in his own heart."
"lust' is translated from the Greek word epithumia, and there is nothing in this word that can be desribed as being the appreciation of the physical form of the opposite sex in a dignified manner, no it describes the opposite, we might use this word to desribe the habit of 'stalking' with intent to master with wrath. This is niot an indicment against feeling sexually aroused or looking admiringly upon the opposite sex, that is perfectly natural. What Jesus is saying is that it is not right to act in an manner of seeking to control somebody without respect to their feelings and dignity.
It is Jesus explaining that evil desires lead to evil actions and if you are concieving this in your mind and heart, you are already breaking God's laws. It is not against God's law to feel physically attracted to a member of the opposite sex, but if you are not respecting them and your behaviour is such that you are seeking to control them purely to satify your own over-mastering passion and desire, then that is not right, that could be what is known today as 'stalking', or just lewd and crude unwanted behaviour, that is just not acceptable. See Jesus is always fullfilling the law by extending it to your hearts and minds, God is now writing His law in the heart, not in the stone, He wants it in your minds, no point if your actions and thoughts are betraying each other, they must be one.
I agree with wattie. Is not porn the exact opposite of what God intended, to be a loving experience between man and wife.
If porn is ok as you say Densetzu, even just some porn, would it be ok for us to go and partake in these films, wether married or not as porn starts do??
Bev42, we when we hit our teens become interested in sex, that is part of us, but the natural intent is for enjoying sex with your wife (whenever you get married)
Densetzu uses the terminolgy, sexual stimulation, by which I think he means 'self stimulating', I think I can honestly say being a man that it is impossible to do that without lusting after a women even if just imaginary. One point i would like to add is if yor married and self stimulating it would ok if youe thinking of your spouse or doing so with your spouse wife/husband.
porn is a no no in my books.
Phil
If porn is ok as you say Densetzu, even just some porn, would it be ok for us to go and partake in these films, wether married or not as porn starts do??
Bev42, we when we hit our teens become interested in sex, that is part of us, but the natural intent is for enjoying sex with your wife (whenever you get married)
Densetzu uses the terminolgy, sexual stimulation, by which I think he means 'self stimulating', I think I can honestly say being a man that it is impossible to do that without lusting after a women even if just imaginary. One point i would like to add is if yor married and self stimulating it would ok if youe thinking of your spouse or doing so with your spouse wife/husband.
porn is a no no in my books.
Phil
If you mean partake as in watch them, that's what I was talking about. I wasn't talking about staring in one! And really, I wouldn't count any hardcore porn among the uplifting. I was rather thinking of softcore pornography, in which the actors are not really having sex. It's just acting. I don't think hardcore pornography is a good thing at all!
For a good example of what I'm talking about--though not from an actual pornographical film because my knowledge of those is very limited--is the movie 300. There's a love scene between Gorgo and Leonidas that I find beautiful and moving, and it's a stark contrast to the hedonistic sexual perversion of the Persians later in the film.
If you think that, then you're not really clear on the definition of lusting. The word Jesus used, which we translate lust, means a strong desire to have and possess someone that is not yours. You can appreciate the beauty of someone--or feel sexually aroused--without having such a desire; furthermore, there is nothing to indicate that Jesus was applying this to imaginary people. He was preaching against the practice in which men of his time would have covetous sexual desires for women who were not their spouses.
Sexual interest isn't wrong. It's natural. It's how the species is propagated. The problem happens when we use sexual interest in inappropriate ways.
For a good example of what I'm talking about--though not from an actual pornographical film because my knowledge of those is very limited--is the movie 300. There's a love scene between Gorgo and Leonidas that I find beautiful and moving, and it's a stark contrast to the hedonistic sexual perversion of the Persians later in the film.
If you think that, then you're not really clear on the definition of lusting. The word Jesus used, which we translate lust, means a strong desire to have and possess someone that is not yours. You can appreciate the beauty of someone--or feel sexually aroused--without having such a desire; furthermore, there is nothing to indicate that Jesus was applying this to imaginary people. He was preaching against the practice in which men of his time would have covetous sexual desires for women who were not their spouses.
Sexual interest isn't wrong. It's natural. It's how the species is propagated. The problem happens when we use sexual interest in inappropriate ways.
The problem with the world today, mainly in the USA, is that we have replaced "love" with "lust" when most say "I love you" they should really say "I lust you". We use the term Love so loosely. It is why we have so many divorces and "break ups" God did not intend for us to have many different relationships in our lives. Mainly in the younger crowd most couples not married have sex. and movies and TV programs promote this. It is like we satisfy how urge for sex, like we satisfy our hunger by going through McDonalds.
Of course I am speaking mostly of "non Christians" and I know this is a little off from the original question but wanted to share my 2 cents lol
God bless you all!!
Donald
Of course I am speaking mostly of "non Christians" and I know this is a little off from the original question but wanted to share my 2 cents lol
God bless you all!!
Donald
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I think lust is different than when you look at a man or woman, and appreciate them for their physical looks, and your body responds. I think it becomes lust when you start to idolize those feelings, seeking them out, thinking about them when you shouldn't be, replaying it back in your head to get that same body reaction.
It's not lust when I see a cute guy, and think to myself, wow he's attractive, and my body responds. It would be lust when I start visualizing illicit activity with him, or when I think about his sexual prowess and not just his physical attractiveness, or when I think of that person and desire to do sexual things.
Lust we have to work at, while natural attraction happens all on its own.
It's not lust when I see a cute guy, and think to myself, wow he's attractive, and my body responds. It would be lust when I start visualizing illicit activity with him, or when I think about his sexual prowess and not just his physical attractiveness, or when I think of that person and desire to do sexual things.
Lust we have to work at, while natural attraction happens all on its own.
T
You know God gives us the victory of many many things, as a young personal it is natural to want to be curious but ask God to help you through it and believe he will. He will help you to forget about it until your wedding night. AMEN.
It is a powerful thing and Satan knows that it can take over you and so you have to give it to God.. I am much older way older and married but not with my husband and at first it was a huge struggle for me huge but there is nothing I could do about it until the pastor said God gives you victory over things that try to control you like weight, cigs, even drugs and lust. So i went home and searched out the scriptures.
1 corth 15:56
56 The sting of death is sin, and the strength of sin is the law. 57 But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
58 Therefore, my beloved brethren, be steadfast, immovable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, knowing that your labor is not in vain in the Lord.
so I gave it to the Lord and believed that he would give me the victory and I thought about everything that might make me struggle, certian programs, shows. books, mags conversation and avoided it or got rid of it. None of it shall I see again if its within the lords will and God gave me the victory over it. So if you pray and tell God what is really on your heart and how you want to be in his will he will give you the victory over lust. Its free all you have to do is ask and believe its yours. thats it.
It is a powerful thing and Satan knows that it can take over you and so you have to give it to God.. I am much older way older and married but not with my husband and at first it was a huge struggle for me huge but there is nothing I could do about it until the pastor said God gives you victory over things that try to control you like weight, cigs, even drugs and lust. So i went home and searched out the scriptures.
1 corth 15:56
56 The sting of death is sin, and the strength of sin is the law. 57 But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
58 Therefore, my beloved brethren, be steadfast, immovable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, knowing that your labor is not in vain in the Lord.
so I gave it to the Lord and believed that he would give me the victory and I thought about everything that might make me struggle, certian programs, shows. books, mags conversation and avoided it or got rid of it. None of it shall I see again if its within the lords will and God gave me the victory over it. So if you pray and tell God what is really on your heart and how you want to be in his will he will give you the victory over lust. Its free all you have to do is ask and believe its yours. thats it.
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