On Those who Think that They are Made Righteous by Works: 226 Texts.

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On Those who Think that They are Made Righteous by Works: 226 Texts
ST MARK THE ASCETIC [pp. 125-146.].

"153. If you wish to make a blameless confession to God do not go over your failings in detail, but firmly resist their renewed attacks". [page 138.].

THE PHILOKALIA: THE COMPLETE TEXT compiled by ST NIKODIMOS OF THE HOLY MOUNTAIN an ST MAKARIOS OF CORINTH Translated from the Greek and edited by G.E.H. Palmer, Philip Sherrard, Kalistos Ware with the assistance of Holy Transfiguration Monastery (Brookline, MA) Constantine Cavarnos, Basil Osborne, Norman Russell. Volume 1. Boston, MA: Faber and Faber, 1979.

God save us: Amen. In Erie PA USA November 2011 AD Scott R. Harrington

 
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Wait, so now you believe we are justified by grace alone?
 
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jimmydiggs said:
Wait, so now you believe we are justified by grace alone?
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By grace through faith. Not faith alone. Faith. Faith without works is dead (James). Not by deeds of righteousness, but by God's mercy (Titus 3:5). Scripture teaches both. It's paradox/mystery. Only by grace, and by "faith which worketh through love" (Gal. 5:6). We cannot save ourselves. That is what St Mark the Ascetic teaches.
 
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OldOrthodoxChristian said:
By grace through faith. Not faith alone. Faith. Faith without works is dead (James). Not by deeds of righteousness, but by God's mercy (Titus 3:5). Scripture teaches both. It's paradox/mystery. Only by grace, and by "faith which worketh through love" (Gal. 5:6). We cannot save ourselves. That is what St Mark the Ascetic teaches.
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So are works requirement for justification?
 
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What, then, does James 2:24 mean?
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James 2:24You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone.


I find it quite ironic that you're condemning "made righteous by works" yet here you are endorsing it.


What James is talking about when he says "faith alone" is more of a "bogus" kind of faith, in that it is an intellectual agreement, an "uh-huh" at the end of a question without any genuine personal trust, nor love for Christ that bears fruit in the life of a believer. Both James and Paul are arguing that faith is never alone, but that it produces works. Don't put the cart before the horse.


Some have construed the righteousness contemplated in justifiation as the psychic act of faith itself in Christ and have insisted that Genesis 15:6 teaches this: "Abram believed the Lord, and he credited it[that is, his faith] to him as righteousness" (See also Rom 4:3,5,9,22,23; Gal 3:6; James 2:23). Never is our faith-act, however, represented in the New Testament as the ground or the cause of our righteousness. If this were so, faith would become a meritorious work, an idea everywhere opposed by the Apostle Paul who pits faith in Christ over against every human work. We are said to be justified "by faith" (the simple dative--Rom. 3:28, 5:2), "by faith" 'ek, ek, with the genitive--Rom. 1:17; 3:30; 4:16(twice), 5:1; 9:30; 10:6; Gal 2:16; 3:8,11,24; Heb. 10:38), "through faith" (epi, with the geneitive--Phil. 3:9), and "according to faith" (kata, with the accusative--Heb. 11:7). But never are we said to be justified "because of faith" or "on account of faith" (dia, with the accusative). In other words, the psychic act of faith is not the righteousness alone. Faith in Christ is simply the regenerated sinner's saving response to God's effectual summons, by means of which the righteousness of Christ--the sole ground of justification--is imputed to him.


(Page 745 of "A New Systematic Theology of The Christian Faith by Dr. Robert L. Reymond)
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Bump.........
 
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What about those who think they can be made righteous without works?

Amazing how truth can be remade when it doesn’t include the whole truth! I hear “you can’t work your way to heaven” with the translation of why work? I hear the Law of Moses is obsolete without any of the 119th psalm.
 
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Scott, are works required for salvation?
 
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James 2:17 (KJV)

Even so faith, if it hath not works,
is dead, being alone.

works are the result of faith.
 
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OldOrthodoxChristian said:
By grace through faith. Not faith alone. Faith. Faith without works is dead (James). Not by deeds of righteousness, but by God's mercy (Titus 3:5). Scripture teaches both. It's paradox/mystery. Only by grace, and by "faith which worketh through love" (Gal. 5:6). We cannot save ourselves. That is what St Mark the Ascetic teaches.
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Eph 2, we are saved by grace through (Christ's faith, Gal 2:16) not our faith, and that not of ourselves lest any man should boast.
 
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OldOrthodoxChristian said:
What, then, does James 2:24 mean?
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Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. Heb 13:21, Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight.
 
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jimmydiggs said:
James 2:24You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone.


I find it quite ironic that you're condemning "made righteous by works" yet here you are endorsing it.


What James is talking about when he says "faith alone" is more of a "bogus" kind of faith, in that it is an intellectual agreement, an "uh-huh" at the end of a question without any genuine personal trust, nor love for Christ that bears fruit in the life of a believer. Both James and Paul are arguing that faith is never alone, but that it produces works. Don't put the cart before the horse.
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All these scriptures saying that we are justified by grace through faith is not refering to our faith but we are justified through Christ's faith, Gal 2:16.
 
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RedTent said:
What about those who think they can be made righteous without works?

Amazing how truth can be remade when it doesn’t include the whole truth! I hear “you can’t work your way to heaven” with the translation of why work? I hear the Law of Moses is obsolete without any of the 119th psalm.
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Yes, we are made righteous without works, Eph 2:1-5.
 
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jimmydiggs said:
Scott, are works required for salvation?
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I am not Scott, pardon me for butting in, but I say no , works is not a requirement for eternal salvation, but on the other hand, works (doing God's commandments) does save (deliver) us here in this world. Most of the salvation scriptures are not talking about eternal salvation but deliverances we recieve here in this world.
 
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James 2:17 (KJV)

Even so faith, if it hath not works,
is dead, being alone.

works are the result of faith.
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Good works are the result of God working in us, Heb 13:21, Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is pleasing in his sight.
 
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