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John146

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but now is made manifest…

Romans 16
25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:
 

Pilgrimshope

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Jesus Yeshua settles all when He teaches that a law must be applied with mercy, judgment and more. Remember the laws given to Moses became the laws of Moses; this is due to the changes and additions over time by man's thinking. Jesus Yeshua fulfilled the law in all its application, not to abolish it.
awe dont see this the same brother this doesn’t mean I’m against you , am insulting you , am teaching heresy ect but I’d like to discuss openly and respectfully with you because we usually find agreement on other matters.

“Remember the laws given to Moses became the laws of Moses; this is due to the changes and additions over time by man's thinking. “

wait …..are you saying what’s written in the Bible in the Old Testament is corrupt and not what Moses really commanded ? I’m not saying this is what you mean but I’m asking are you saying the Bible’s Old Testament is the product of man’s thinking and not really what God said ?

The reason I’m asking this is moses law is written in the Bible what he said is in the first five books of the Bible and it’s contrary to what Jesus said . So either Moses really didn’t say this which means the ot isn’t true or reliable

So are you saying this isn’t really what Moses commanded ?

“And if a man cause a blemish in his neighbour; as he hath done, so shall it be done to him; breach for breach, eye for eye, tooth for tooth: as he hath caused a blemish in a man, so shall it be done to him again.”
‭‭Leviticus‬ ‭24:19-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

did moses really not say this ?

“And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭21:23-25‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And thine eye shall not pity; but life shall go for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭19:21‬ ‭

Are tou saying that man came up with that and that’s not what Moses said ? Or that Jesus didn’t really say this regarding that

“Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: but I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭5:38-39‬ ‭KJV‬‬

im not understanding your position that Moses law became Moses law and wasn’t really what Moses commanded or ? Here a few scriptures to just consider

The law and the prophets were until John:

since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭16:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“For the law was given by Moses,

but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

noses words in the Bible were Moses words to the people and Jesus words also were his words to the people both are true but they are contrary because there are two covenants look how it is contrary

“And the Pharisees came to him, and asked him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife? tempting him.

And he answered and said unto them, What did Moses command you? And they said, Moses suffered to write a bill of divorcement, and to put her away.

And Jesus answered and said unto them, For the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept. ( he’s telling them why Moses words were different then he tells them His words that are contrary )

And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her. And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭10:2-5, 11-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬


For the record this is actually what Moses commanded the same that’s written here in his law

“When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her hand, and send her out of his house. And when she is departed out of his house, she may go and be another man's wife.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭24:1-2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

we cannot obey Moses words and also Jesus words they are contrary one to have other and it isn’t because the Bible was corrupted it’s well explained in the New Testament why it’s different we are Christian’s not Jews of the old covenant

one covenant was broken and the curse came forth , another covenant offers salvation from that curse they don’t beg together they are contrary bexause one is for sinners Ho had no Holy Spirit and the other gives the holy spirit and births gods spiritual children of all nations in Christ and starts here free of anyone but Christ and any doctrine but his own

“For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:26-

The Bible says the law has been fulfilled by Jesus and the gospel has been declared to all people salvstion isn’t found in Moses law what Moses said isnt what Jesus said
 

JaumeJ

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Believe it or no, I can be wrong. I do not dispute with anyone per se, but sometimes a I can be short or intolerant with another, but never to the point of condemnation..
So I thank you for your commentary, and dI pray you continue in the Word as you walk towards our final glory.
 

fredoheaven

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Just in case someone out there has never read a NT Bible. Jesus came to Earth and taught us how to be saved as well as paying for our salvation. Several men recorded his deeds and words. We call each account a "Gospel". They are four accounts of the same true story. The all contain the same truths.

We have the Gospel according to Matthew.
We have the Gospel according to Mark.
We have the Gospel according to Luke.
We have the Gospel according to John.

Slightly different in style and length, but they are all the story of Jesus. My personal favorite is John.
Here is the Gospel written by John. It is the Gospel for everyone that believes to have everlasting life.

John 6:47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.
 

Mem

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Jeremiah wrote of it and Hebrews 8 declares it

{Berean Standard Bible Par ▾
Christ’s Eternal Priesthood
1The point of what we are saying is this: We do have such a high priest, who sat down at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven, 2and who ministers in the sanctuary and true tabernacle set up by the Lord, not by man. 3And since every high priest is appointed to offer both gifts and sacrifices, it was necessary for this One also to have something to offer.
4Now if He were on earth, He would not be a priest, since there are already priests who offer gifts according to the law. 5The place where they serve is a copy and shadow of what is in heaven. This is why Moses was warned when he was about to build the tabernacle: “See to it that you make everything according to the pattern shown you on the mountain.”a
The New Covenant
(Jeremiah 31:26–40)
6Now, however, Jesus has received a much more excellent ministry, just as the covenant He mediates is better and is founded on better promises. 7For if that first covenant had been without fault, no place would have been sought for a second. 8But God found fault with the people and said:
“Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord,
when I will make a new covenant...}

The "first" was with fault in respect toward the people. That is, although it was perfect, it was not perfect for the people, but proved to be against the people because of the faults found with them. The One Gospel is perfect for, and not against, the people found with fault. Speaking toward the law is speaking toward their faults, their sins, their unrighteousness, their condemnation, but speaking toward the Gospel is speaking toward their faith, their righteousness, their deliverance from a condemnation, their salvation.
 

glf

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The law and dthe prophets were until John. Why is this? It is because they all pointed to Jesus Yeshua Who came to fulfill them all, not to destroy them. God bless all who understand dthe weight of these words, "the law and the prophets were until John."

Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or tittle shall in wise pass from the law until is fulfilled.

Before faith came we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith that should afterwards be reviled. Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after faith is come we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

What things soever the law says, it says unto them who are under the law, that every mouth be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

For this cause Christ became the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, the called might receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.
 

Nehemiah6

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according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began, But now is made manifest
What is Paul saying here and what is the "mystery"? Not only did Paul preach the Gospel, but he also presented the "mystery" that the Gentiles would be fellow-heirs with the Jews and become a part of the Church. How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words, hereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ) Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit; That the Gentiles should be fellow-heirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel: (Eph 3:3-6)

But some form of the Gospel was even preached unto the Israelites in the wilderness:
Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it (Heb 4:1,2)

Who are "them"? See the previous chapter: When your fathers [ancestors] tempted me, proved me, and saw my works forty years. Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do always err in their heart; and they have not known my ways. So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest. (Heb 2:9-11)